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explode the bazaars are or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well

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as other dimensions it's time to take

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back the night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports Wow

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you know I I feel I'm looking all around

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me here and I I feel like I'm inside an

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episode of a Wild Kingdom look at all

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these beautiful wild animals we got a

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bear a lion an elephant geez I I haven't

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seen an elephant up close like this and

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since I was a child and there's a

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beautiful wolf over there my goodness

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and and buffalos and I thought that they

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were only out on the Prairie but they're

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right here in our kco our radio studio

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tonight so Tim how are you doing out

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there in Jasper Indiana well I'm doing

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all right but right now I'm a little

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worried about our pretty producer Tina

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if there's Buffalo in the studio well

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they're I'm sure that they're all very

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friendly both lungs

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you know actually though I was thinking

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when I was up in Canada like around

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Vancouver Island there are all these

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native totems

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and they each depict different types of

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animals you know like well while the

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animals there that carved by the local

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tribes I guess I was up in Vancouver

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Island right but I I'm wondering if

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there's a connection between the totems

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and what our guest has has

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about and so why don't you tell us who

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we're going to be speaking with for the

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first hour here tonight be my pleasure

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Tim well tonight really happy to have

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Zahara hieronymus with us no Zahara is

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an award-winning radio broadcaster

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social justice and environmental

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activists and professional artists now

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she has hosted the national radio

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program future talk until 2008 and

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co-host 21st century radio with her

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husband Robert hieronymus which I'm

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happy to say that I was a guest on their

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show at one time now sahara is the

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author of several books her latest is

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white spirit animals prophets of change

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this book looks at the special role

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played by whites bird animals in

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spiritual traditions and prophecy around

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the globe where they are seen as

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guardians of animal wisdom each with a

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special purpose and gift

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zahara reveals how they have

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collaborated with humanity since the

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last ice age inspiring spiritual

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practices and conferring shamanistic

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powers and are considered the stewards

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of the great spiritual transformation

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that occurs during transitional times as

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alright thank you very much for being

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with us tonight on exploring observe

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yeah thank you for bringing me to your

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audience with you thank you well you

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know you know - before we go on too far

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so I'd hate to say that before I

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oh don't worry according to our audience

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we're coherent most of the time well I I

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by the conversation back to the totems

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the Native American totems that I I saw

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between that and and and what you're

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involved in most definitely you know all

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matter what part of the planet you turn

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to or what millennium you look at have

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natural world are collaborators in life

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humans being at the top and we have the

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right to do and choose whatever we want

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but that we're all here each with our

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so in native traditions make totems it's

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their way of honoring the animal kingdom

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that is part of their existence not just

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instance in the past may have hunted

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whale to eat or eat shot bear because

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a chain around their neck or somebody

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everything is related through the law of

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symbols of anything we're attracted to

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things are related in octaves and that's

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than the other they have different

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which resulted from a waking vision I

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had in 2013 where all the sudden I was

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surrounded by all these white spirit

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charcoal white buffalo oh you know many

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writing about at their request are all

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the fact that they all are guardians of

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extinction we're losing 27 thousand

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species a year now something that's

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can and at first I wonder well what does

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that mean are they more specialty it's

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that question you asked me Tim and what

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they said was no it's just that we need

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to support the ecosystem in which these

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habitation and then hunting and then

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liver and store in the kidney they also

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horrible I suffered a great deal in

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writing this book because I'm I'm an I'm

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psychic and I'm very sensitive and so

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all the pain and suffering that these

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entertainment now are you totally

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opposed to Zeus yes I am at this point

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of time I am I call them like others who

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are really opposed to them I'm not a big

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activist in this way I'm more of um I

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guess I'm on the inner kingdom work in

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general but they call the multi species

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prisons and when you think you know to

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children to the prison and visit the men

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this exists I mean the truth is is that

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environments that are even remotely near

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their natural habitats so the way they

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function in captivity has little to do

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wild it just it doesn't happen like some

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elephants swinging their heads back and

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forth and doing repetitive behavior or

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body against it people go oh they're

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playing well they're not these are

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neurotic psychological illnesses that

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are being presented to the human as

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entertainment and and healthy it's not

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healthy these are animals who have had

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great deal of psychological suffering

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certainly they have been deprived of

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their natural autonomy and choosing

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being part of herd mentality and history

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understand these are sentient beings and

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they have joy and they have family and

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they through preferences and they play

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preferences they have memory they have

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history they have history records they

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have group memory they have individual

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memory how does that differ from us so

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it's really different I mean III yeah I

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mean one could say well you know Anna

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probably a great deal superior to most

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of the members of the the while the

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kingdom but it certainly has gotten them

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by for a thousands of years and there's

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no doubt that we have encroached upon

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their socialist structures now Tim what

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would you say about this I mean do you

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have a gut reaction to the idea of

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animals in captivity

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[Laughter]

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yeah well I'm I'm pretty much against it

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myself I mean like I'm like so Hara

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pointed out a lot of these actions that

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we see these animals doing that the

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people find funny she's right I mean

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it's it's because I mean it's because

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they're in captivity and I just always

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like to think you know well how would

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the majority of us react if we were in

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similar situations you know people would

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end up be in the very end doing the race

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yes yes perhaps some of the people that

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have been abducted by UFOs yeah exactly

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you know the people who come back and

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report those situations I mean it's

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always a traumatic experience and I can

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imagine it's the the same kind of

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experience for the animals but I did

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want to ask

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Zor what was going on in your life in

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2013 that that may have led up to this

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this first experience I mean was there

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do you think that there was a catalyst

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that that started this communication for

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you it's a nice question you know I have

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always been sensitive to the animal

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kingdom and as a child at the age of six

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I literally remember praying for the

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ability to talk to the animals and I

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like many people you know Pippi

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Longstocking and dr. Dolittle I was born

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in the mid 50's we're kind of my role

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models and I thought I'd learn how to

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interpret an animal's language like

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interpret a bird call or interpret a dog

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bark or inter and what I discovered of

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course is that there's this other form

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of communication between all sentient

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and between all life form it doesn't

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matter what even inanimate and animate

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and and that's that all things can

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communicate with each other and every 10

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years I have pretty much changed my

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professional focus and I spent 10 years

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in the performing arts ten years in the

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Communication Arts tenure it's in the

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holistic healing arts and I'm in my ten

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years now of the esoteric arts applied

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I've always been a student of esoterica

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since a very young age and so I think I

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was already into wanting to do more with

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animals and animal communication and so

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I've always done readings on lost dogs

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and cats and started doing a little bit

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with wild animals and then I had an

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experience with the bonobo named Matata

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I had interviewed sue Rambo who is a

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world-famous primatologist who through

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her many years of work with these

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bonobos in captivity in a lab in Iowa at

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one point they started being able to do

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what she taught them which was

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communicate by using computers Matata

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was the matriarch of this family and she

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of course did not approve of this she

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didn't use it herself but her son konzi

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and her daughter Pam Manisha both did

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and after I interviewed sue two weeks

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later

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like at around 11 o'clock at night I'm

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writing away at my book and standing in

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front of me is an

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bonobo well how can i bonobo be naked

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but that's the way it felt to me and all

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of a sudden I see her my white shepherd

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Bella sees her she's visibly frightened

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by this astral entity and Matata

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basically wanted to have some

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conversation if she put it I want to

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have some talk and it was the beginning

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of my work with the wild animal kingdom

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I had thought I would do a book going to

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the zoo and talking to the animals in

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captivity and AI decided it would be so

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depressing that I wasn't going to be

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able to handle that very well nor maybe

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do them a great service

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but Matata started telling me stories

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about the last ice age she started

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telling me about when humans and bonobos

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live together and how bonobos would take

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the discarded humans from the Ice Age

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and it was really interesting because

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she really showed me and she would come

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to me at all times of day as hi Houston

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joke she called me up on the telepathic

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line and sometimes I could take her call

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and sometimes I tell her call me later

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but I decided after calling my mentor

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and friend dr. Stanley critter who just

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knows so much about all this work what

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did he think about this should I follow

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up on this and he said my gosh is a

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wonderful project just take good notes

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so for a year I had a conversation I had

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conversations with Matata at a distance

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that I recorded and then after she and I

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begun doing that I had this experience

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of a waking vision where all these white

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spirit animals came to me and prior to

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that vision I had had an experience with

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six white spirit Buffalo coming and

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telling me that they were my Guardians

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and that they were really anxious to

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help and that was sort of the beginning

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before the book but it took me a year

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almost a year and a half after they

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requested that I tell their story I mean

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I really felt like I was before revered

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elders and I said why have you come to

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me and what can I do for you and they

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said we'd like you to tell our story and

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they didn't mean tell it in one book at

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a time like one for the whale and one

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for the Buffalo but all of them together

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because they said if you do that you and

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the reader or the others the audience

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will have a better understanding of our

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purpose and what's happening now and

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that was the beginning and really they

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do share very many commonalities they

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all have are related to stories myth the

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log

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in the cosmos all of the cultures that

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revere them point to off planet elders

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all of them are said to represent a

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reminder of the Ice Age and that's why

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they're white coated unlike their

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species can and that they only come and

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only appear when we are about to go

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through dramatic earth changes and

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humans need their help and that's why

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they've come and that's why they're

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showing up so so often now worldwide and

430
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why we're seeing so many white animals

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in so many species that may not be white

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spirit animals meaning having two

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recessive genes one from each parent but

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the fact that they're white and they

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stand out makes them vulnerable we pay

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attention to them and that's why I call

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them profits of the wild because these

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white animals of each species really are

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standouts and they are here to attract

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our attention and to understand that

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through compassionate right action we

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can all work together to make the

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ecosystem more resilient all right this

444
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this may seem like a silly question but

445
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you've referred a couple times now to

446
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the last ice age what what was so

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important about the last ice age and I

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mean dear any references to what was

449
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going on previous to the last ice age

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there are and in fact Matata started

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talking about that the war of the gods

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and he refers to off planet beings who

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came destroyed the big giants and in the

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process they destroyed some of the human

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giant inner breeds I mean it's

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fascinating history and when I first

457
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listened to it I thought you've got to

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be kidding I mean this is like sitting

459
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down and listening to folk tales but

460
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then I went to the history books and

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started reading so many other sources

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about things that she told me even about

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the Giants of the animal Giants I mean

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the scale of things have changed you

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know the woolly mammoth compared to the

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30 feet men are the 18-foot people we're

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very much in each other scale like we

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are to today's buffalo so people always

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ask me are we going to go extinct like

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all these animals I said well it seems

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to me that we're coming down and scale

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and that some of that might be for our

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survival off planet meaning a smaller

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scale speed

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these will do better in space maybe

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smaller scale species will be able to

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transition more and/or the spirit body

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when we no longer need physical vessels

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to experience consciousness I don't know

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this is all hypothetical but the last

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ice age after that's around 12,500 BCE

482
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is when we had these massive floodings

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when comet fragments hit the earth

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and then all of the flooding and all of

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the trauma on earth occurred including

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freeze I mean we had sort of like 8,000

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years ago the weather stabilized and we

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are now moving into an unstable weather

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period but we have existed as a result

490
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of the last ice age in a very calm

491
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10,000 year period it's changing now and

492
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I think we're headed to a glacier age

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yes there's warming but I think like

494
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when people get sick you get a hot

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temperature and then you freeze to death

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you know you have no blood circulation I

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think all that we're seeing this

498
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instability of if the climate part of

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our doing part of it's just cyclical

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rises and falling of civilizations and

501
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ice ages we're in an interglacial period

502
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so we are ripe towards moving towards a

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new glacial age just a question what

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form and how quickly it can happen now

505
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having some of the the Native American

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tribes talked about this a white Buffalo

507
00:22:06,290 --> 00:22:04,410
for a long time absolutely the Lakota

508
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Revere the white Buffalo and the White

509
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Buffalo Calf woman who came and taught

510
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them all of their rituals their marriage

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ceremony their smoke and smudge their

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their naming ceremonies their their

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ceremonies at death and birth and the

514
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white buffalo was said to come back and

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appear when we were in need of their

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help meaning all of these traditions

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whether it's the Buddhists the Zulu the

518
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:35,130
Cherokee it doesn't matter all believe

519
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that we are in such calamitous state

520
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that we will have earth changes there's

521
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no question about it we're already

522
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beginning to see the devastation of

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tsunamis and earthquakes and rampant

524
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fires and famine etc and it's not going

525
00:22:51,860 --> 00:22:51,570
to get better right away but we have an

526
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OP

527
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tunity through divine grace through

528
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:55,650
prayer through right action through

529
00:23:00,380 --> 00:22:58,050
technology through working you know with

530
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:00,390
reverence and humility with all of life

531
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:03,090
on earth to restore this planet without

532
00:23:07,790 --> 00:23:05,580
it having to take a deep nosedive that

533
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,800
doesn't mean that there aren't cycles of

534
00:23:11,660 --> 00:23:09,840
civilizations rising and falling which

535
00:23:14,030 --> 00:23:11,670
there are and their purposes for it

536
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:14,040
which is our evolution so I think all of

537
00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:15,690
them feel we're at a critical

538
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:18,990
evolutionary pivot point and each of us

539
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,230
is taking part in it all right well

540
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,480
we're gonna have to interrupt this talk

541
00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:26,640
for a few minutes here is we go to our

542
00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:29,580
first break of the night so when we come

543
00:23:33,650 --> 00:23:31,590
back we will continue our conversation

544
00:23:35,890 --> 00:23:33,660
about the light spirit animals right

545
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:35,900
here on exploring the desire

546
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:50,390
now back to exploring the bazaar with

547
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:52,980
two of the most electrifying researchers

548
00:24:03,110 --> 00:23:55,980
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

549
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:03,120
beckylyn and Taylor Swift's welcome back

550
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:05,130
to exploring the bazaar and tonight

551
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:06,840
we're talking with sohara

552
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:10,250
hieronymus and Tahara we have a question

553
00:24:17,150 --> 00:24:13,740
actually more of a statement from Annie

554
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:17,160
one of our listeners are and I think and

555
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,460
she says that I had a profound dream

556
00:24:26,150 --> 00:24:23,520
where a white wolf entered my car I was

557
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:26,160
afraid and closed the door however the

558
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,110
wolf slipped in and lay in my arms

559
00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:31,440
crying what was the significant of that

560
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:34,280
it haunts me wow what a powerful dream

561
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:37,380
the wolf is the Guardian to the

562
00:24:41,870 --> 00:24:39,960
threshold of life and death the wolf as

563
00:24:43,460 --> 00:24:41,880
I discovered in my book and there's a

564
00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:43,470
long story about it we won't tell

565
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:45,720
tonight but you know I always thought of

566
00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:48,450
Anubis the guardian of the dead as being

567
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,670
the jack or the dog everybody would talk

568
00:24:55,910 --> 00:24:53,520
about that for centuries and the wolf

569
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:55,920
made clear that I understood no Anubis

570
00:25:01,100 --> 00:24:58,260
is a wolf it's not a jackal it's not a

571
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:01,110
dog and then of course there I'd look

572
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,610
that up what the way I worked was I

573
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:04,200
would do dreaming with the animals

574
00:25:09,650 --> 00:25:06,900
they'd tell me information and then I'd

575
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:09,660
go to a Google search the following day

576
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:11,400
or two days later to see if anything

577
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:13,080
they told me was true

578
00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:15,570
what I discovered is that the wolf is

579
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,270
really the one that teaches us the most

580
00:25:22,790 --> 00:25:21,120
about the continuity between life and

581
00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:22,800
death you know we call it life and death

582
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:25,260
but the wolf teaches us like indigenous

583
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:27,510
peoples tell you it's a continuum it's

584
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:29,580
not a being here and a not being here

585
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:31,980
it's a question of consciousness so I

586
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:34,050
think it's a beautiful dream because the

587
00:25:39,170 --> 00:25:37,350
white wolf entering her car saying that

588
00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:39,180
wherever she's going it wants to help

589
00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:42,870
guide her I mean the walk is a powerful

590
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:45,540
powerful Guardian because it's of all

591
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:47,580
these mammals it's the only one where

592
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,350
the male and the female stay together

593
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:51,480
their whole lives not so much like

594
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:53,490
married partner but the

595
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:56,490
male and the female animals themselves

596
00:26:01,940 --> 00:25:58,440
all working community with the bear and

597
00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:01,950
the Buffalo etc the elephant and the

598
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:04,470
lion the male and female don't do as

599
00:26:08,299 --> 00:26:06,360
much together you know the elephant it's

600
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:08,309
a matriarchal herd and the male

601
00:26:11,540 --> 00:26:09,960
elephants go off on their own unless

602
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:11,550
they're ordering holes and need to

603
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:13,380
protect them same thing with the Buffalo

604
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:17,070
and the bear but the wolf so and stream

605
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:19,710
is beautiful that the wolf wouldn't

606
00:26:24,530 --> 00:26:22,890
leave and lay in her arms crying she may

607
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:24,540
have and you could ask her she can

608
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,610
answer has she been dealing with the

609
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:28,320
death of somebody close to her or

610
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:30,330
somebody she loves or she afraid of

611
00:26:35,030 --> 00:26:32,610
somebody dying who she loves because

612
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:35,040
that might be part of why the wolf came

613
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:37,770
to her was to tell her that she doesn't

614
00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:40,440
have to be afraid the fact that the wolf

615
00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:42,630
cries I think is because we don't

616
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:45,780
understand enough about how sacred life

617
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:48,360
is that's the impression I'm getting

618
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:51,720
from this moment and that whether we

619
00:26:56,180 --> 00:26:53,970
look at the devastation we reap upon the

620
00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:56,190
animal kingdom whether it's chickens or

621
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:00,179
cows or in my case my book the the

622
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:02,970
larger mammals it's horrendous and then

623
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:04,650
we do the same thing to humans whether

624
00:27:08,299 --> 00:27:06,540
it's men women or children I mean when

625
00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:08,309
we think about the life that gets taken

626
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:10,830
on this planet with such disregard and

627
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:13,170
what wolf knows and I think anybody who

628
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:14,820
does any of the work on the other side

629
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,730
through the veil will tell you

630
00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:18,960
everybody's still here as I always joke

631
00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:20,790
it's all of us together or it's all of

632
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:23,040
us together and this is a beautiful

633
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:26,580
dream and you know the fear of the

634
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:29,730
unknown is often what the wolf

635
00:27:35,299 --> 00:27:31,410
represents for people because they are

636
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:35,309
guardians of the underworld and then if

637
00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:37,140
we look at the three worlds the world

638
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:39,300
above us the middle kingdom which is us

639
00:27:43,910 --> 00:27:41,400
living here and then the underworld they

640
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:43,920
really help us navigate all of those

641
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,620
things so they're also considered to be

642
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:48,720
the guardians of the Milky Way Road and

643
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,970
the elephant is considered to be the one

644
00:27:56,060 --> 00:27:53,220
that stirs the Milky Way and brings all

645
00:27:58,700 --> 00:27:56,070
life to being so they're related as well

646
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:58,710
and again it's um it's a beautiful dream

647
00:28:05,659 --> 00:28:01,860
of regeneration and hope and she only

648
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:05,669
used to have we we used to have a white

649
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:06,990
wolf cub tour

650
00:28:14,169 --> 00:28:11,159
USO in New Age conferences I have a

651
00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:14,179
friend of mine Barbara Cain whose

652
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:17,159
husband Arthur was the bass player in

653
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:20,090
the New York Dolls Lee famous pre punk

654
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,140
band and she had this white wolfs we

655
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:27,120
would come to the conference and inset

656
00:28:31,789 --> 00:28:29,610
the sit on the couch next to me the only

657
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:31,799
thing we ever had a little dispute over

658
00:28:38,779 --> 00:28:34,980
was the bowl of potato chips I had in my

659
00:28:41,419 --> 00:28:38,789
lap I reached I I reached for the potato

660
00:28:43,399 --> 00:28:41,429
a chip at the same time the wolf's

661
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:43,409
tongue came out and swept two of them

662
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:46,710
away and I I had great regard for the

663
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:50,250
wolf and let let her take the potato and

664
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:53,490
chips and well I think cattle beautiful

665
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:54,120
animal

666
00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:56,760
beautiful beautiful er I think more

667
00:29:01,279 --> 00:28:58,980
people feel close to wolf than any other

668
00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:01,289
being and when you look at the

669
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:03,480
superstitions we used to ascribe to the

670
00:29:08,899 --> 00:29:05,580
wolf I mean they'd been watered tortured

671
00:29:11,779 --> 00:29:08,909
more horrendously shot and killed and

672
00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:11,789
maimed and awful things over the

673
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,190
centuries and hopefully that's changing

674
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:16,320
but you know they're being delisted and

675
00:29:21,019 --> 00:29:19,110
without the wolves our wilderness really

676
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:21,029
does collapse in the Yellowstone Park

677
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,580
was a beautiful demonstration of what

678
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,500
happened when they eliminated the wolves

679
00:29:29,539 --> 00:29:27,600
and then reintroduce them how everything

680
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,549
gets healthier you know these animals

681
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:31,679
the bear the lion elephant wolf and

682
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:34,110
Buffalo not so much the Buffalo but the

683
00:29:37,399 --> 00:29:35,820
others are often called predators and

684
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,409
even not so much the elephant but the

685
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:39,120
bear line and wolf are called predators

686
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:41,610
and that's how humans justified their

687
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:43,980
want and killing of them the hunting to

688
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:46,710
kill them but the truth is there no more

689
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:49,049
predatory than an ant these aren't

690
00:29:52,639 --> 00:29:52,049
animals like humans who ever kill for

691
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:52,649
fun

692
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:54,840
they only kill if they need to to eat

693
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:56,279
and most of the time they prefer

694
00:30:01,519 --> 00:29:58,890
scavenge other animals kills what's

695
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:01,529
already left over so it's not what

696
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,720
people think and I think the beautiful

697
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:06,720
part about the way the elder traditions

698
00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:09,210
around the world who honor these animals

699
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,190
and understand that they are kin of ours

700
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:13,320
brothers and sisters working on our

701
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,510
evolution and the stabilization of the

702
00:30:20,659 --> 00:30:18,000
planet is that they all share them being

703
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:20,669
shamanic partners in ritual and healing

704
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:23,190
and a beautiful thing about it is

705
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,710
relative to your show is all of them

706
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:28,320
point to off-planet elders from Sirius

707
00:30:34,849 --> 00:30:33,090
the Pleiades alcian and Lyra as some of

708
00:30:37,369 --> 00:30:34,859
the places some of our ancient teachers

709
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:37,379
came from to help us survive past Earth

710
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,730
changes now having having a Leo rising

711
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:46,919
in my chart could you tell us a little

712
00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:50,820
about the lion the golden absolutely the

713
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:52,950
lion is considered to be the guardian of

714
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:55,230
the entire planet according to the Zulu

715
00:30:59,359 --> 00:30:57,210
tradition and the white lines in timba

716
00:31:02,450 --> 00:30:59,369
Valley South Africa have a long

717
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,460
association actually with planetary life

718
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:05,460
elsewhere I mean muwah credo who I

719
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:07,529
talked about in the book talks about the

720
00:31:11,989 --> 00:31:09,929
white ants have appeared for 400 years

721
00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:11,999
and they first came up during the reign

722
00:31:16,009 --> 00:31:14,249
of Queen Numbi in the region of timba

723
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:16,019
Vaati when they say a shining star fell

724
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:18,210
to the ground and they the Queen

725
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,220
approached it she was really elderly and

726
00:31:23,989 --> 00:31:22,080
infirmed she was swallowed by it she

727
00:31:26,239 --> 00:31:23,999
received straighten was received by

728
00:31:27,979 --> 00:31:26,249
strange beings she came out again and

729
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:27,989
she'd be restored she'd been restored to

730
00:31:33,129 --> 00:31:30,539
health so they associate the white lions

731
00:31:35,539 --> 00:31:33,139
with these off-planet beings but the

732
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:35,549
history if you look at Babylonian

733
00:31:40,609 --> 00:31:38,369
Mesopotamian Sumerian ancient cultures

734
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:40,619
revered the lion as the guardian of

735
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:43,049
royalty as the guardian of the planet

736
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:45,210
and they teach us about the alchemy of

737
00:31:49,999 --> 00:31:47,220
the heart profoundly about leadership

738
00:31:51,769 --> 00:31:50,009
about coming together in community about

739
00:31:54,019 --> 00:31:51,779
seeing and sensing the future and

740
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,029
preparing for it but they really teach

741
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:55,679
us about the alchemy of the heart and

742
00:32:01,849 --> 00:31:59,220
that our goal is to become pure noble

743
00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:01,859
hearted humans who are guardians of the

744
00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:08,730
so it it really surprises me I suppose

745
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:14,920
and maybe not not you so much that the

746
00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:18,370
white spirit animals would even want to

747
00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:20,440
deal with this at this point anymore I

748
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:25,180
mean you know the way that that humanity

749
00:32:31,230 --> 00:32:28,930
has has acted throughout the millennia I

750
00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:31,240
mean and I mean you even have people who

751
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:32,560
say oh well you know animals I mean

752
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:34,030
they're just you know they're you only

753
00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:36,100
have souls you know we're beloved by God

754
00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:39,220
we have sold but they don't why would

755
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:40,540
they even want to deal with this anymore

756
00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:42,370
on earth you know just like okay just

757
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:44,980
just go away humanity well because they

758
00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:48,130
live here and this is their planet this

759
00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:49,990
is where they reside they're trying to

760
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:52,780
wake us up they aren't the problem we

761
00:32:57,690 --> 00:32:55,150
are so it's not like you're like oh

762
00:33:00,210 --> 00:32:57,700
goody we get to wake humans up it's this

763
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:00,220
is their job just like it's our job to

764
00:33:03,810 --> 00:33:01,750
help each other when you see a baby

765
00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:03,820
you're not gonna hurt the baby so when

766
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,320
you you know when they look at us and

767
00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:06,880
we're babies they don't want to hurt us

768
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:08,980
like wolf said we'd never imprison

769
00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:10,630
anybody it's just not something we would

770
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:13,960
do and you know so I think that or wolf

771
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:16,450
as an example said you know your task is

772
00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:19,330
simple at CPR conservation preservation

773
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:23,190
restoration they want to save the earth

774
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:26,650
that's their job is to keep it in

775
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:28,690
balance our job is to come into

776
00:33:34,170 --> 00:33:31,570
reverence and recognition that these are

777
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:34,180
sentient conscious beings that are

778
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:36,910
trying to work with us to preserve this

779
00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:41,170
planet and we're a part of the planet as

780
00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:44,140
well of course we are Earth you know

781
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:45,880
people always think about us living on

782
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:47,410
the earth I'm always blown away by the

783
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:48,850
fact that we're spinning around a

784
00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:50,470
thousand miles an hour and I'm not

785
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:52,180
falling off into space it's just

786
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:54,130
extraordinary reality the gift of

787
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:56,110
creation and that's what we're meant to

788
00:34:00,810 --> 00:33:58,090
be as co-creators so we have all these

789
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:00,820
God powers we don't use you know we deny

790
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:03,130
our own divinity we deny the divinity

791
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,920
around us and that's really what animals

792
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:08,800
live so nobly they are so forgiving when

793
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,510
you think of the abuse we have heaped

794
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:12,399
upon these animals whether it's the

795
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:14,980
elephants in the zoo or the bears in the

796
00:34:17,609 --> 00:34:17,110
wild or wherever it is and that they do

797
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:17,619
so

798
00:34:21,899 --> 00:34:19,929
little harm to humans and the one a few

799
00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:21,909
times that they might it's either

800
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:23,950
because we're too close to their young

801
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:25,690
we've interfere but their hunting ground

802
00:34:29,759 --> 00:34:27,730
or too close to their home but they

803
00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:29,769
don't deliberately like the black bear I

804
00:34:34,109 --> 00:34:32,289
mean they are so kind and so civil and

805
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:34,119
get along with humans and other animals

806
00:34:40,139 --> 00:34:37,419
and until very recent decades you would

807
00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:40,149
see people picking berries by sunning

808
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:42,759
bears in the southern states so it's

809
00:34:47,789 --> 00:34:45,179
really a question of Education and

810
00:34:51,029 --> 00:34:47,799
cultural transformation you know the

811
00:34:52,859 --> 00:34:51,039
unfortunate mythologies that have been

812
00:34:55,470 --> 00:34:52,869
promoted that are so destructive from

813
00:34:57,329 --> 00:34:55,480
the Roman culture like Zeus who would

814
00:34:59,220 --> 00:34:57,339
turn himself into a white animal in

815
00:35:01,620 --> 00:34:59,230
order to rape an innocent woman and then

816
00:35:04,739 --> 00:35:01,630
to take her captive this is pretty much

817
00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:04,749
what patriarchy has done it's taken on

818
00:35:12,359 --> 00:35:08,980
the role of masquerading as father but

819
00:35:14,309 --> 00:35:12,369
in fact is destroyer and that's the

820
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:14,319
unfortunate side of the Roman mythology

821
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,230
that the West has adopted whereas the

822
00:35:21,749 --> 00:35:19,119
ancient mythologies within these

823
00:35:24,329 --> 00:35:21,759
indigenous cultures treat bear as

824
00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:24,339
first-person the co-creator of the

825
00:35:28,529 --> 00:35:26,440
planet bears the healer as an example

826
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:28,539
bear is the one who taught the natives

827
00:35:34,589 --> 00:35:31,569
about smudge medicine about sweetgrass

828
00:35:36,749 --> 00:35:34,599
about which herbs to heal with they know

829
00:35:38,819 --> 00:35:36,759
from elephant where to find water how to

830
00:35:42,089 --> 00:35:38,829
take care of the young how to preserve

831
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:42,099
you know matriarchal lineages these

832
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,730
animals taught humans how to how to be

833
00:35:49,289 --> 00:35:47,440
natives learned how to hunt from wolf

834
00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:49,299
you know they also learned how to play

835
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:51,460
the game of lacrosse from wolf there's

836
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:53,170
so many things that we've learned from

837
00:35:56,999 --> 00:35:55,089
animal I mean like elephant to me is the

838
00:35:59,549 --> 00:35:57,009
most compassionate being on earth and

839
00:36:01,440 --> 00:35:59,559
the Buddhists and the Hindus who revered

840
00:36:03,029 --> 00:36:01,450
them understand and Buddha was thought

841
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:03,039
to have been an elephant in his last

842
00:36:07,289 --> 00:36:05,529
life before being a human and that's why

843
00:36:10,019 --> 00:36:07,299
often the great and noble monks are

844
00:36:12,809 --> 00:36:10,029
compared to elephants who have

845
00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:12,819
discharged their duty and gained total

846
00:36:17,009 --> 00:36:15,460
you know settlement in mind but all of

847
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:17,019
these animals and it doesn't matter

848
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:18,970
whether it's the ant in your backyard or

849
00:36:22,499 --> 00:36:20,680
the Cardinal that lands on your bird

850
00:36:25,499 --> 00:36:22,509
feeder or the dog that sleeps on your

851
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:25,509
bed they all have awareness they all

852
00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:28,420
have memory they all have feelings they

853
00:36:31,579 --> 00:36:29,980
all have needs they all have joys and

854
00:36:33,499 --> 00:36:31,589
preferences and

855
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:33,509
our job is to come into rapport with

856
00:36:36,979 --> 00:36:35,369
that and all you have to do no matter

857
00:36:38,539 --> 00:36:36,989
what animal it is you feel close to

858
00:36:40,819 --> 00:36:38,549
whether it's an animal that's in the

859
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,829
wild you don't see or your own domestic

860
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:43,440
animal or somebody else's is to call

861
00:36:48,229 --> 00:36:45,690
them by name or by image into your heart

862
00:36:49,969 --> 00:36:48,239
three times and feel what it feels like

863
00:36:52,249 --> 00:36:49,979
when they enter your heart being a place

864
00:36:55,729 --> 00:36:52,259
of love and once you've done that with

865
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,739
any entity you are then prepared in a

866
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:58,079
way to have communion with them and to

867
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,660
communicate and listen to them the thing

868
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:02,700
I'd like to encourage people to do is

869
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:04,710
when you start doing this and you say oh

870
00:37:09,769 --> 00:37:07,170
well that Cardinal said I need more food

871
00:37:12,769 --> 00:37:09,779
and I need a water bath to be put

872
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:12,779
outside here is when they ask you to do

873
00:37:17,479 --> 00:37:14,670
something and you hear it and you make a

874
00:37:19,729 --> 00:37:17,489
commitment to do it these are serious

875
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:19,739
relationships when spirit animals come

876
00:37:23,059 --> 00:37:21,210
to a human like Ann who had that

877
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:23,069
beautiful dream they're coming because

878
00:37:28,579 --> 00:37:26,430
they know you can hear them and that you

879
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:28,589
are open to them but when we make a

880
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:30,630
commitment these are serious commitments

881
00:37:33,739 --> 00:37:32,130
so it's the same thing when you call a

882
00:37:35,059 --> 00:37:33,749
deceased beloved one or you call

883
00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:35,069
somebody from off-planet

884
00:37:40,249 --> 00:37:37,499
all consciousness is connected we need

885
00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:40,259
to take more seriously our spoken word

886
00:37:44,839 --> 00:37:43,229
and our intentional will so just

887
00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:44,849
remember if you make a commitment to do

888
00:37:49,969 --> 00:37:47,339
anything to anybody and for anything to

889
00:37:52,099 --> 00:37:49,979
do it even if it's modest but follow

890
00:37:54,529 --> 00:37:52,109
through with it and if you feel I can't

891
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:54,539
feed the birds I can't save the whales I

892
00:37:58,789 --> 00:37:56,940
can't help the Bears you can't say a

893
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:58,799
prayer for them prayer is our most

894
00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:00,599
powerful tool that we don't really

895
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:02,999
understand yet how to use as a humanity

896
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:05,609
but when we awaken to it I feel certain

897
00:38:09,859 --> 00:38:07,710
we can change weather patterns to save

898
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:09,869
life and we can improve the world around

899
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:12,890
us each of us individually and together

900
00:38:19,789 --> 00:38:17,400
now now I see here in your book white

901
00:38:22,459 --> 00:38:19,799
spirit animals that you have a chapter

902
00:38:25,999 --> 00:38:22,469
called the signs which includes

903
00:38:28,489 --> 00:38:26,009
information on Giants and Dragons how

904
00:38:30,709 --> 00:38:28,499
does that tie in well again it goes back

905
00:38:32,209 --> 00:38:30,719
to Matata who started me this on this

906
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,219
whole journey of understanding as a

907
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:34,380
telepath I could communicate with any

908
00:38:38,779 --> 00:38:36,930
animal anywhere in any when as we all

909
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:38,789
can if we practice with each other and

910
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,729
others they started showing me these

911
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:44,160
giants that used to live on our land and

912
00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:45,550
so of course I would

913
00:38:49,470 --> 00:38:47,560
looked up do hearse work on the Giants

914
00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:49,480
and you do the discoverer of course yes

915
00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:51,640
up and through the 1800s it was very

916
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:53,380
common knowledge that we had enormous

917
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:55,210
royalty giants that's what they're

918
00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:57,010
thought to have been perhaps from the

919
00:39:02,430 --> 00:38:59,500
Toltecs civilization on this continent

920
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:02,440
some were as big as a as a as a six

921
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:04,390
story building they were 30 feet tall

922
00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:06,130
and we have proof of this in the bones

923
00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:08,020
and then you know what has been captured

924
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:10,060
archaeologically but at the turn of the

925
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:12,010
century the Smithsonian the church

926
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,570
everybody decided we're not talking

927
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:15,280
about this stuff anymore it doesn't fit

928
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:17,230
into our little you know psychedelic

929
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:19,210
pattern of we're on top and nothing else

930
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:22,750
ever happened but us and the other thing

931
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:24,760
was showing us the earth changes in what

932
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,190
we can do to change them as well as to

933
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:29,200
encourage our children to dream and to

934
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:31,510
use their imaginations and have more

935
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:33,070
faith in what our children tell us

936
00:39:37,170 --> 00:39:34,810
that's part of the signs you know in

937
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:37,180
Kabbalistic prophecy which I'm student

938
00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:39,250
of and have been most my life and wrote

939
00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:42,340
two books on Kabbalah this is an age of

940
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:44,440
prophecy that will come primarily

941
00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:46,180
through women and children so children

942
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:49,000
who are coming in now are very old Souls

943
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:51,070
they're very strong they're very aware

944
00:39:56,220 --> 00:39:53,470
of what challenges they'll face after we

945
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:56,230
all move into our spirit bodies and so

946
00:40:00,840 --> 00:39:58,330
they are pretty evolved beings that have

947
00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:00,850
their ties in other kingdoms pretty well

948
00:40:06,930 --> 00:40:03,880
awake so the signs of birth changes the

949
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:06,940
signs of giants being found the signs of

950
00:40:11,490 --> 00:40:09,010
children discovering incredible things

951
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:11,500
at very young ages 8-12 banking

952
00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:13,690
technological developments that adults

953
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:16,840
can't they're here to help humanity and

954
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,970
I think that was the purpose of white

955
00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:21,040
spirit animals prophets of change is

956
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:23,560
just to remind all of us that what we

957
00:40:31,410 --> 00:40:27,610
are facing is is not insurmountable we

958
00:40:33,210 --> 00:40:31,420
need to as the lion said close the ozone

959
00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:33,220
hole that was their preference for one

960
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:34,780
earth change that we should undertake

961
00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:36,730
and the other they said was to close the

962
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:39,670
hole in our hearts because once we do

963
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:42,640
that and we stop leaking we can really

964
00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:44,530
understand that everything is connected

965
00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:48,100
through love and that's a sign the mayas

966
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:50,340
of course say we've moved into a new

967
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:54,430
epoch which vibrationally is much faster

968
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:56,890
cycling and then before what might have

969
00:40:59,470 --> 00:40:58,810
taken a million years before now takes

970
00:41:04,750 --> 00:40:59,480
30

971
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:04,760
highs and lows of evolutionary impulse

972
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:07,610
and we're all being stirred basically

973
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:09,950
vibrationally to come into our own

974
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,590
higher self and that's what the white

975
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:15,200
spirit animals say are the signs is this

976
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:18,130
impulse of so many humans earth-wide

977
00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:20,810
recognizing we have better get it

978
00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:22,760
together or the whole ships going to go

979
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,080
down and there's going to be a great

980
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:25,760
deal more suffering than is necessary

981
00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:28,400
you know we can change through joy most

982
00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:30,740
of us wait till suffering pushes us from

983
00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:33,620
behind but we have the choice of doing

984
00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:35,630
this in a loving way and that's what the

985
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:37,550
white spirit animals as prophets of

986
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:40,250
change are here to share with us is that

987
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:42,940
become resilient which means to become

988
00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:45,170
flexible in the way you see things and

989
00:41:48,490 --> 00:41:47,120
think about things you know and ancient

990
00:41:50,890 --> 00:41:48,500
Kabbalah it used to be that you had to

991
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:50,900
come up with 72 different ways to solve

992
00:41:55,690 --> 00:41:53,270
a problem of anything I mean most of us

993
00:41:57,850 --> 00:41:55,700
can come up with fewer than three so

994
00:41:59,830 --> 00:41:57,860
it's it's really about what they're

995
00:42:02,140 --> 00:41:59,840
telling us is to improve the life around

996
00:42:04,210 --> 00:42:02,150
us wherever we each live go local I

997
00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:04,220
really believe that focus on your local

998
00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:06,380
communities whatever it is you choose to

999
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:08,540
do it doesn't matter what you do it

1000
00:42:13,090 --> 00:42:10,940
matters how you do it to do it with

1001
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,100
beautiful intention and then pay

1002
00:42:17,950 --> 00:42:15,200
attention to what comes into your life

1003
00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:17,960
cycle because that's how we can follow

1004
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:20,120
the stones that kind of like dropping

1005
00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:24,710
from the heavens on our trail so know

1006
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:27,320
what's what's been the reaction so far

1007
00:42:33,010 --> 00:42:30,170
with with your book I mean I've I've

1008
00:42:37,540 --> 00:42:33,020
read it and I tell you I've really been

1009
00:42:39,580 --> 00:42:37,550
moved by it so but what comments have

1010
00:42:41,530 --> 00:42:39,590
you gotten well that's pretty much what

1011
00:42:44,110 --> 00:42:41,540
everybody has said even some of the

1012
00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:44,120
wonderful caretakers of these various

1013
00:42:50,110 --> 00:42:46,580
animal species like Cynthia Hart button

1014
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:50,120
who cares for a primarily genetically

1015
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:52,370
pure white buffalo herd who has just

1016
00:42:57,490 --> 00:42:54,320
moved to the mounds area in Ohio

1017
00:42:59,230 --> 00:42:57,500
actually and she said she uses it as her

1018
00:43:00,940 --> 00:42:59,240
own Bible and Buffalo well this woman

1019
00:43:03,820 --> 00:43:00,950
knows more about Buffalo than probably

1020
00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:03,830
anybody living but she said I seem to

1021
00:43:07,930 --> 00:43:05,990
have captured the spirit and what other

1022
00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:07,940
people have said in general who are

1023
00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:09,800
already animal lovers is that it

1024
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:12,920
deepened their love and appreciation for

1025
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:13,100
the

1026
00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:20,480
balance and it's not just about

1027
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:22,190
restoring the earth it's about restoring

1028
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,610
our purpose as co-creators so there's

1029
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:27,440
been nothing negative I haven't been

1030
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,090
challenged by anyone to say oh this is

1031
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:31,760
all nonsense I really did my best to

1032
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:33,890
practice dream telepathy for a year

1033
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:35,510
before I even committed to writing the

1034
00:43:39,370 --> 00:43:37,010
book to see if I could do it because I'm

1035
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:39,380
awaking telepath and I wanted to see if

1036
00:43:43,810 --> 00:43:41,270
I could communicate with animals as I do

1037
00:43:46,330 --> 00:43:43,820
with deceased humans in my dreams and

1038
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:46,340
anybody can do this and I promise you if

1039
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,170
you all do this before you go to sleep

1040
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,520
at night whatever you want to

1041
00:43:54,460 --> 00:43:51,680
communicate with if it's a deceased dog

1042
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:54,470
or a deceased grandparent or somebody

1043
00:43:59,950 --> 00:43:58,010
who lives 3,000 miles away picture them

1044
00:44:01,330 --> 00:43:59,960
call them into your heart tell them you

1045
00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:01,340
love them and that you would love to

1046
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:03,500
hear from them and maybe not that night

1047
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:05,240
but a few nights later they'll come to

1048
00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:07,910
you so my purpose was many fold in this

1049
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:10,750
book it was to show the extraordinary

1050
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:13,730
desire on the part of the animal kingdom

1051
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,370
to help us preserve this beautiful

1052
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:19,760
extraordinary planet it was also to show

1053
00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:22,930
that all sentient life and even

1054
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:25,580
inanimate life can be communicated with

1055
00:44:29,380 --> 00:44:27,710
because it's all vibration it's all

1056
00:44:31,810 --> 00:44:29,390
light that's we're basically bio

1057
00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:31,820
capacitors we're either emanating or

1058
00:44:37,060 --> 00:44:34,190
receiving and we do both all the time

1059
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,070
we're basically like that lighthouse and

1060
00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:39,520
the and the third part was to show that

1061
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:43,160
each of us has this capacity to be much

1062
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:45,350
more than constrained by time and space

1063
00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:48,950
that our dreams our imagination our

1064
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:52,040
courage our humility our reverence that

1065
00:44:57,550 --> 00:44:54,110
these are all qualities we strive to

1066
00:45:00,570 --> 00:44:57,560
develop as humans because once we do we

1067
00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:00,580
become more able to assist all kingdom

1068
00:45:05,350 --> 00:45:03,350
simultaneously in our simple daily lives

1069
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:05,360
you know I love what the Dalai Lama says

1070
00:45:09,730 --> 00:45:07,910
is there's no spirituality outside your

1071
00:45:10,930 --> 00:45:09,740
daily living and when you're young you

1072
00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:10,940
don't believe that you go to all these

1073
00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:12,590
workshops you want all these blissful

1074
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:14,840
experience is you want your highs but

1075
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:16,310
the truth is is once you come into

1076
00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:18,380
refinement and more self mastery and

1077
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:20,420
really work on we're finding your own

1078
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:23,990
response to things the more likely

1079
00:45:26,589 --> 00:45:26,090
you'll have these higher experiences in

1080
00:45:29,049 --> 00:45:26,599
your

1081
00:45:30,670 --> 00:45:29,059
early life like I did in that vision and

1082
00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:30,680
then in the dream telepathy and now

1083
00:45:34,509 --> 00:45:32,390
being able to communicate with just

1084
00:45:36,969 --> 00:45:34,519
about any animal that somebody asked me

1085
00:45:39,579 --> 00:45:36,979
what do they need or what do you hear or

1086
00:45:44,769 --> 00:45:39,589
what do you see well you know this would

1087
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:44,779
make it absolutely dynamite a video

1088
00:45:50,529 --> 00:45:47,569
presentation a documentary I I'm hoping

1089
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:50,539
that if there's some producer listening

1090
00:45:55,749 --> 00:45:52,609
to the program or watching this later on

1091
00:45:57,489 --> 00:45:55,759
on the YouTube that they get in touch

1092
00:46:01,660 --> 00:45:57,499
with you because I could just see the

1093
00:46:05,049 --> 00:46:01,670
beauty of this and the creativity you

1094
00:46:08,859 --> 00:46:05,059
know and your involvement in this and

1095
00:46:11,859 --> 00:46:08,869
and the whole scheme of the the white

1096
00:46:14,170 --> 00:46:11,869
spirit animals thank you I appreciate

1097
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:14,180
that I want to share one last thing at

1098
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:16,430
the end of writing my book my very last

1099
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,220
experience was with an elder Buffalo who

1100
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,200
represented the six million Buffalo that

1101
00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:23,359
once grazed on our continent we were

1102
00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:25,720
standing on a mountaintop plateau quote

1103
00:46:30,969 --> 00:46:28,670
overlooking an entire cosmopolitan city

1104
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:30,979
where their range used to be standing

1105
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:33,049
together was with such a broad scale

1106
00:46:38,499 --> 00:46:35,630
view he shared that quote when any one

1107
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:38,509
of us human animal plant or mineral

1108
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:40,670
fulfills our purpose on earth we

1109
00:46:45,489 --> 00:46:42,890
experience the greatest love there is

1110
00:46:48,099 --> 00:46:45,499
unquote our purpose is to love our

1111
00:46:50,019 --> 00:46:48,109
purpose is to heal our purpose is to

1112
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:50,029
bring unity and our purpose is to use

1113
00:46:54,249 --> 00:46:51,710
our consciousness for the betterment of

1114
00:46:56,140 --> 00:46:54,259
the world we're here to serve and that's

1115
00:46:58,809 --> 00:46:56,150
the beauty the white spirit animals is

1116
00:47:06,339 --> 00:46:58,819
prophets of change they really want us

1117
00:47:07,959 --> 00:47:06,349
to work together alright I'm sorry you

1118
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:07,969
were gonna say the same thing I was so

1119
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:11,210
go ahead exactly well why don't you let

1120
00:47:14,829 --> 00:47:13,430
our audience know where they can get a

1121
00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:14,839
copy of the book for themselves and

1122
00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:16,369
where they can find out more about you

1123
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:19,400
you can go to white spirit animals calm

1124
00:47:23,739 --> 00:47:22,190
that's white spirit animals calm the

1125
00:47:25,299 --> 00:47:23,749
book is published by my beloved

1126
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:25,309
publisher Bear & Company inner

1127
00:47:30,190 --> 00:47:27,710
traditions they can go to bear and

1128
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:30,200
company books calm they can go to Amazon

1129
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,569
but white spirit animals calm is a lot

1130
00:47:36,339 --> 00:47:34,880
of fun I post things that people send me

1131
00:47:38,109 --> 00:47:36,349
from around the world and white spirit

1132
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:38,119
animals like the white moose and the

1133
00:47:42,610 --> 00:47:40,280
white white crocodiles and the

1134
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:42,620
rabbits and all those sorts of things

1135
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:45,980
and I also try to post other stories of

1136
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,780
interests that may be useful to the

1137
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:50,000
audience so it's triple w dot white

1138
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:52,340
spirit animals calm and from that it

1139
00:47:59,440 --> 00:47:54,530
will connect you to 21st century radio

1140
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:59,450
calm or Zohar o online.com are you doing

1141
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:02,720
on Sunday evenings yes uh-huh dr. Bob

1142
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:04,850
and I alternate posting every week we've

1143
00:48:09,250 --> 00:48:07,190
done it over 30 plus years and it's as

1144
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:09,260
you know it's a wonderful art this art

1145
00:48:14,290 --> 00:48:11,510
of communication to share wisdom around

1146
00:48:16,210 --> 00:48:14,300
the world well you say hello to Bob for

1147
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:16,220
both of us and thank you so much for

1148
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:18,110
being with us this evening thank you so

1149
00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:29,230
[Music]

1150
00:48:36,190 --> 00:48:33,710
explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

1151
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:36,200
into the world of the paranoid

1152
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:39,480
strap yourself in as we traverse the

1153
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:43,790
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1154
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:48,240
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

1155
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:52,380
as well as other dimensions it's time to

1156
00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:56,880
take back the night now your

1157
00:49:07,150 --> 00:48:59,130
electrifying hosts of exploring the

1158
00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:12,380
is that you John Lear is that you John

1159
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:18,080
Lear I hear crickets you hear crickets

1160
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:20,280
but he's in the middle of the desert

1161
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:22,290
these are the crickets in the middle of

1162
00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:25,830
the desert I think there's gonna be

1163
00:49:31,070 --> 00:49:28,470
crickets anywhere well yes you know

1164
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:31,080
actually I remember one time we were

1165
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:33,690
having a UFO conference in Phoenix

1166
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:38,220
Arizona and Jenny Randall's well-known

1167
00:49:44,210 --> 00:49:42,180
British UFO author had come over we

1168
00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:44,220
invited her over to speak to the

1169
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:48,120
conference and she had a very unsettling

1170
00:49:56,810 --> 00:49:51,300
experience there was a cricket in her

1171
00:49:59,360 --> 00:49:56,820
room and she called me I I do believe if

1172
00:50:00,920 --> 00:49:59,370
I remember correctly I want to embarrass

1173
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:00,930
her or anything like that but I think

1174
00:50:05,660 --> 00:50:03,720
she ended up sleeping by the pool come

1175
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:05,670
on which which which actually is not a

1176
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:07,470
bad experience if you're in Phoenix

1177
00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:09,720
Arizona and the weather is not too

1178
00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:12,870
stifling near hot in the summer right

1179
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:18,350
now I would go for a place by the pool

1180
00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:22,920
myself mmm what the with her without the

1181
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:26,070
cricket well okay so was she afraid of

1182
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:28,770
the cricket or she just it's constant

1183
00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:31,800
chirping just kept her awake well you

1184
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:34,830
know I'm not I'm not sure to be to be

1185
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:36,750
honest with you maybe maybe it was

1186
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,730
bringing back some recollection of some

1187
00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:40,960
giant insect

1188
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,440
insect on board a UFOs I'm Jenny if

1189
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:46,240
you're listening I'm only having a good

1190
00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:51,430
time your your your behalf but I do I do

1191
00:50:56,430 --> 00:50:51,820
it

1192
00:50:59,640 --> 00:50:56,440
most ridiculous and sublime things over

1193
00:51:02,190 --> 00:50:59,650
the over the years oh but those those

1194
00:51:04,109 --> 00:51:02,200
make the best stories all they do indeed

1195
00:51:06,740 --> 00:51:04,119
yeah you know and I'm sitting here

1196
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:06,750
tonight I'm just finishing up on this

1197
00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:12,970
book on the UFO hostility and you know

1198
00:51:18,359 --> 00:51:15,550
luckily that I do have a good memory for

1199
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,369
things like that because I I can

1200
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:20,079
remember hey you know there's that

1201
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:22,329
particular case I gotta include it and I

1202
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:25,690
know that I Drive both Shawn Castile who

1203
00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:27,790
doesn't proofing in here the editing and

1204
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:30,040
and Bill turn who's working on the

1205
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:31,900
graphics on the book absolutely crazy

1206
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:34,210
because I'm never satisfied that I have

1207
00:51:39,329 --> 00:51:37,630
everything in there oh no and as soon

1208
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:39,339
and as soon as the book goes to press

1209
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,430
then they'll be like 20 20 more stories

1210
00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:44,400
that will pop up that you're like oh

1211
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:48,670
he's easy I I'm collecting enough

1212
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:51,450
material now for my second edition of

1213
00:52:00,180 --> 00:51:56,800
the the synchronicities of Tim Buckley

1214
00:52:03,809 --> 00:52:00,190
no I I realized I realized that there

1215
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:03,819
were a few that I neglected to to put in

1216
00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:06,490
there anyway we were going to have John

1217
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Lear on and we hope still they have John

1218
00:52:15,150 --> 00:52:11,530
Lear on but he has not answered the

1219
00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:15,160
Skype requests that we sent him and

1220
00:52:22,050 --> 00:52:17,500
that's the way Skype works you have to

1221
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:22,060
accept the person calling you in this

1222
00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:26,290
case the radio stations year in order to

1223
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:30,520
get through so it's you me and the

1224
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,550
universe tonight it looks like for the

1225
00:52:37,819 --> 00:52:35,920
remainder of the show but we we could

1226
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:37,829
dance through almost any situation

1227
00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:40,450
that's right that's right I do the

1228
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:43,540
Hustle you know I didn't I didn't I

1229
00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:45,910
didn't want to embarrass you while you

1230
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:49,300
were on the air with our last guest but

1231
00:52:58,500 --> 00:52:53,410
you did you not have a monkey as a pet

1232
00:53:01,080 --> 00:52:58,510
Oh me no but now were you not a monkey

1233
00:53:03,590 --> 00:53:01,090
Grande and one of your photos oh that's

1234
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,070
yes yeah III are you a monkey that's

1235
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:10,720
right you you are you are using the

1236
00:53:16,890 --> 00:53:13,690
money of the monkey as the entertainment

1237
00:53:19,470 --> 00:53:16,900
that's right well listen I out how your

1238
00:53:22,380 --> 00:53:19,480
monkeys can entertain themselves very

1239
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:22,390
easily with with humans I I remember

1240
00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:26,890
being in Costa Rica and our guide for

1241
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:29,140
the afternoon was telling people you

1242
00:53:34,650 --> 00:53:31,120
know look at all the monkeys up in the

1243
00:53:37,590 --> 00:53:34,660
tree but be careful because they will

1244
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:37,600
come down and and try to smash something

1245
00:53:44,430 --> 00:53:41,890
that you own and sure enough one monkey

1246
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:44,440
came down from the tree giggled a lot

1247
00:53:49,230 --> 00:53:46,330
grabbed the woman's purse climbed back

1248
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:49,240
up the tree and dumped the content and

1249
00:54:00,810 --> 00:53:56,760
and started eating the lipstick yeah

1250
00:54:08,460 --> 00:54:00,820
some animals like that we're very funny

1251
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:08,470
and use those for entertainment yeah I'm

1252
00:54:13,770 --> 00:54:11,470
not terribly satisfied with the the

1253
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:13,780
concept that we shouldn't have a zoos or

1254
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:17,710
or even you know a circus you take for

1255
00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:21,160
example let's say a pack of Huskies up

1256
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:23,980
in the Alaska or something like that do

1257
00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:27,670
not they see joined joyful when they're

1258
00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:31,780
pulling a sled or racing I mean are they

1259
00:54:36,330 --> 00:54:33,640
just supposed to sit around the fire all

1260
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:36,340
day and then and lick themselves or what

1261
00:54:39,330 --> 00:54:38,170
well I don't know I think that's the

1262
00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:39,340
difference though between say like

1263
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:42,190
domesticated animals and you know Oh

1264
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,490
wild animals I mean we domesticated

1265
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:47,440
animals I mean they've been bred you

1266
00:54:53,850 --> 00:54:50,650
know over the centuries to to live with

1267
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:53,860
us and to be with us to be companion

1268
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:55,690
animals and and you're right though I

1269
00:55:00,810 --> 00:54:57,850
mean dogs you know the Huskies they

1270
00:55:03,630 --> 00:55:00,820
would be unhappy if they didn't have a

1271
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:03,640
job to do but that's that's a big

1272
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:04,970
difference though

1273
00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:09,290
than putting them in a cage or you know

1274
00:55:15,339 --> 00:55:12,380
or even you know like a semi natural

1275
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:15,349
habitat you know the the Huskies are

1276
00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:16,609
doing you know something they love

1277
00:55:20,349 --> 00:55:18,200
they're with you know their owner who

1278
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,359
may love and you know they enjoy doing

1279
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:22,400
things like that you know I mean you've

1280
00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:24,710
got and you know Sahara was absolutely

1281
00:55:28,650 --> 00:55:26,030
right though would you know you see

1282
00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:28,660
these a lot of these animals they just

1283
00:55:35,319 --> 00:55:32,630
pacing back and forth or as you said you

1284
00:55:37,540 --> 00:55:35,329
know the the chimpanzees to just

1285
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:37,550
constantly throw themselves up against

1286
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:44,960
the glass enclosures so do that well I

1287
00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:47,150
tell you the they're building how many

1288
00:55:53,859 --> 00:55:51,220
like ten buildings around your apartment

1289
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:53,869
they're all glass maybe I'll stand out

1290
00:55:57,819 --> 00:55:55,490
in front and throw myself in front of

1291
00:55:59,550 --> 00:55:57,829
one of the the big you know windows on

1292
00:56:02,530 --> 00:55:59,560
the ground floor or something like that

1293
00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:02,540
alright thank you it make fun you know

1294
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:09,520
I wanted to I wanted to talk about

1295
00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:12,200
though I mean you know the the new book

1296
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:13,940
that that we've got coming out hopefully

1297
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:17,450
you know it'll be ready to go in a

1298
00:56:22,050 --> 00:56:19,970
couple of weeks because I'm moving yet

1299
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:22,060
well yeah what we're February were

1300
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:28,490
technically done with it tonight we just

1301
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:31,670
put all the chapters in order and there

1302
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:36,050
are like 27 or 30 chapters or something

1303
00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:38,329
like we have a lot of contributors and

1304
00:56:44,859 --> 00:56:40,040
people giving their thoughts and in

1305
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:44,869
opinion and I found those some cases

1306
00:56:51,069 --> 00:56:48,170
that had not been published in many many

1307
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:51,079
years and most people you know of the

1308
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:53,690
current UFO generation I'm sure know

1309
00:57:00,339 --> 00:56:56,950
nothing about these incidents at all

1310
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:00,349
there was a fellow who lived down in

1311
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:05,599
Brazil dr. Olivia fun tez mm-hmm right

1312
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:08,690
and now he probably is best known for

1313
00:57:14,579 --> 00:57:11,690
having interviewed and placed under him

1314
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:14,589
hypnosis

1315
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:17,690
Antonio is an Antonia Boas yeah

1316
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:21,230
Villa bolas Villa poets write of the the

1317
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:25,160
farmer who was abducted I guess you

1318
00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:35,920
female alien and now the course was some

1319
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:38,060
kind some kind of beam you know yeah

1320
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:41,900
yeah yeah yeah almost feline I think was

1321
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:47,390
the stress described but the that case

1322
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:50,450
was probably in its time what was

1323
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:52,910
considered what very kind of scandalous

1324
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,010
I mean you know nothing like that had

1325
00:57:59,890 --> 00:57:57,680
ever been heard before now we've even

1326
00:58:03,340 --> 00:57:59,900
had people on our program here who had

1327
00:58:05,020 --> 00:58:03,350
claimed it on a regular basis instead of

1328
00:58:06,850 --> 00:58:05,030
going to the local bar to hook up on

1329
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:06,860
Saturday night they're having sex with

1330
00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:09,650
Chileans mmm yeah exactly well the the

1331
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:12,800
villa Boas case I mean no no researcher

1332
00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:15,110
here in the United States would touch

1333
00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:18,260
that they wouldn't you know they

1334
00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:20,800
wouldn't probably get published I think

1335
00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:25,880
that - was an ass cap was one of the

1336
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:31,640
first to actually aerial aerial

1337
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:35,230
phenomena research organization coral

1338
00:58:44,730 --> 00:58:40,330
Coral coral and Jim Lorenzen out of

1339
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:44,740
Tucson and in fact we've had their

1340
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:49,850
librarian Allan Benz on before and we've

1341
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:51,890
also talked about the really really

1342
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:52,730
strange

1343
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:55,280
synchronicity where after the interview

1344
00:59:00,880 --> 00:58:57,770
that I did with him I drove down with my

1345
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:00,890
friend Charlotte to Sedona and we were

1346
00:59:06,550 --> 00:59:04,490
coming out of the a little restaurant

1347
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:06,560
there the coffee pot after having brunch

1348
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:10,610
and the part in the the next slot over

1349
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,480
in the parking lot was a an automobile

1350
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:16,160
with the license plate that said a pro

1351
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:19,970
on it very you know I asked Allen as I

1352
00:59:24,730 --> 00:59:22,370
follow up I said would it be anybody in

1353
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,740
the family you know who wanted to keep

1354
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:26,720
the your name of the organization going

1355
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:28,610
because they they've been you know the

1356
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:31,110
funk for what 30 years is no they

1357
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:33,480
and he said no the the children

1358
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:37,770
absolutely despised the fact that that

1359
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:39,810
their parents had you know a UFO

1360
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:42,810
organization and they would never you

1361
00:59:47,570 --> 00:59:44,910
know like have a vanity plate with a pro

1362
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:47,580
on it but even if somebody did how the

1363
00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:49,470
heck would it end up next to the

1364
00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:51,390
automobile we were parked nobody knew

1365
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:52,800
that we were going there we didn't even

1366
00:59:57,110 --> 00:59:54,450
know that we were going there you know a

1367
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:57,120
very strange I mean that's in the the

1368
01:00:04,490 --> 00:59:59,880
book on the matrix a control system of

1369
01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:04,500
philip k dick but did I change this what

1370
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:07,950
were you asking me the hostility book

1371
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:10,170
yeah yeah well I mean you know that's

1372
01:00:20,030 --> 01:00:14,150
one of those subjects that I think that

1373
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:20,040
for a long time researchers just they

1374
01:00:24,290 --> 01:00:21,410
didn't you know kind of like the

1375
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:24,300
possible sexual contacts you know UFO

1376
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:26,310
hostility has been one that researchers

1377
01:00:33,260 --> 01:00:31,050
have really been afraid to broach you

1378
01:00:34,550 --> 01:00:33,270
know comes back in the 50s you had you

1379
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,560
know like the friendly space brothers

1380
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:37,440
who are here to you know save our souls

1381
01:00:42,740 --> 01:00:39,890
and everything like that but then again

1382
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:42,750
we still we still like them we like to

1383
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:44,910
spend leave space brothers but we also

1384
01:00:51,350 --> 01:00:48,510
have to acknowledge the fact that there

1385
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:51,360
are some entities and I called them the

1386
01:00:54,590 --> 01:00:52,980
Alton Terrestrial because we really

1387
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:54,600
can't prove that they're from their

1388
01:01:00,800 --> 01:00:58,160
space that are that are not too friendly

1389
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:00,810
towards us they chase our airplanes like

1390
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:03,930
sometimes shoot them out of the sky they

1391
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:06,090
leave you wrote a chapter there on

1392
01:01:10,790 --> 01:01:08,490
horrendous odors that have been known to

1393
01:01:14,530 --> 01:01:10,800
poison people there have been people

1394
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:14,540
like cash Landrum who have had

1395
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:18,210
radioactive radioactivity put a

1396
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:20,460
radioactive poisoning I do to their

1397
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:23,250
clothes and encounters anyway there was

1398
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:27,180
just one researcher dr. Vaughn teza from

1399
01:01:33,020 --> 01:01:29,880
Brazil yet he had investigated quite a

1400
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:33,030
number of these cases where people had

1401
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:36,810
been horrendously burned in fact there

1402
01:01:43,310 --> 01:01:40,380
is a chapter in the book about a UFO

1403
01:01:44,859 --> 01:01:43,320
that came over a military fort in in

1404
01:01:47,289 --> 01:01:44,869
Brazil one night I think about

1405
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:47,299
o'clock in the morning and shout out

1406
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:51,710
these balls of light and and burnt real

1407
01:01:59,200 --> 01:01:55,130
bad a two or three of the soldiers who

1408
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,210
were on duty guarding their the the post

1409
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:00,799
in fact we went back we found

1410
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:02,990
photographs and illustrations you know

1411
01:02:07,779 --> 01:02:05,839
photos will be those involved and

1412
01:02:09,489 --> 01:02:07,789
photographs of the four yeah we when we

1413
01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:09,499
put a book together we do a heck of a

1414
01:02:16,690 --> 01:02:13,640
lot of you know a research and it's not

1415
01:02:19,150 --> 01:02:16,700
just the people say oh you know but you

1416
01:02:20,739 --> 01:02:19,160
do a couple of books a month but yes but

1417
01:02:24,819 --> 01:02:20,749
I have been collecting the material and

1418
01:02:28,029 --> 01:02:24,829
I know you have - for over 50 years

1419
01:02:34,289 --> 01:02:28,039
so it's a yeah yeah it's just a matter

1420
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:36,370
and then get and then getting your

1421
01:02:44,019 --> 01:02:41,150
scanner to work well with me you know

1422
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:44,029
what I when I researched these stories

1423
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:46,730
you know I mean I just don't go and find

1424
01:02:53,289 --> 01:02:49,970
one book and you know pull the story out

1425
01:02:55,210 --> 01:02:53,299
verb yeah baby you know I I have to go I

1426
01:02:58,569 --> 01:02:55,220
mean and this is you know I mean I spent

1427
01:03:00,999 --> 01:02:58,579
years you know as as a journalist I mean

1428
01:03:04,539 --> 01:03:01,009
you know the the whole the whole key of

1429
01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:04,549
doing this kind of work is verify verify

1430
01:03:10,509 --> 01:03:07,460
verify you know you can't trust just one

1431
01:03:13,269 --> 01:03:10,519
source and I mean you know I've thrown

1432
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:13,279
out a lot of stories that sound really

1433
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:14,930
good but then when you go and do the

1434
01:03:19,779 --> 01:03:17,839
research you find the exact same story

1435
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:19,789
and all the other all the other sources

1436
01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:22,160
with us you know Lee led me to believe

1437
01:03:28,359 --> 01:03:25,190
and probably so that there was probably

1438
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:28,369
one unverifiable source than everybody

1439
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,170
else just copied off of that you know

1440
01:03:35,620 --> 01:03:32,480
you get that you get you get that in the

1441
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:35,630
more so at the age of the the Internet

1442
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:38,950
I mean where it's where it's copy and

1443
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,930
paste and people say oh you didn't give

1444
01:03:45,579 --> 01:03:43,039
me credit we're gonna write the story

1445
01:03:49,749 --> 01:03:45,589
it's in seven other places you know I

1446
01:03:52,539 --> 01:03:49,759
mean it but know the name of the book

1447
01:03:55,509 --> 01:03:52,549
and it's not it's not up on Amazon yet

1448
01:03:58,690 --> 01:03:55,519
but it will be in the next week or so it

1449
01:04:02,319 --> 01:03:58,700
is called USO hostilities

1450
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:02,329
and the evil alien agenda lethal

1451
01:04:07,690 --> 01:04:04,329
encounters with altered terrestrial

1452
01:04:11,260 --> 01:04:07,700
ultra terrestrials exposed invasion

1453
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:11,270
abduction implants vanished death what

1454
01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:12,050
can I say

1455
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:14,660
just remember UFO hostilities in my name

1456
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:20,480
that's all yeah well have it what we'll

1457
01:04:26,589 --> 01:04:22,490
have it as a special you know reduced

1458
01:04:28,329 --> 01:04:26,599
price up there on the conspiracy Journal

1459
01:04:33,069 --> 01:04:28,339
but you know what I thought I would pull

1460
01:04:36,730 --> 01:04:33,079
out of my hat tonight people ask me you

1461
01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:36,740
know we talk about the ETH the

1462
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:40,550
extra-terrestrial hypothesis uh and it

1463
01:04:48,370 --> 01:04:44,570
seems to becoming more unpopular as the

1464
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:48,380
months rolled by the people the number

1465
01:04:55,859 --> 01:04:52,130
of researchers who adhere to the theory

1466
01:04:58,599 --> 01:04:55,869
that you're all UFOs are most UFOs our

1467
01:05:03,370 --> 01:04:58,609
extraterrestrials seem to be drinking

1468
01:05:07,470 --> 01:05:03,380
right and mmm their main supporters

1469
01:05:12,359 --> 01:05:07,480
would be members of the disclosure crowd

1470
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:12,369
who tend who tend to accept almost any

1471
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:16,250
experience or any UFO story that's

1472
01:05:25,210 --> 01:05:19,760
presented to them without any is the

1473
01:05:28,089 --> 01:05:25,220
word vetting yes yeah yes yeah but

1474
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:28,099
there's no vetting in at all but that's

1475
01:05:33,309 --> 01:05:29,810
okay I mean everybody is entitled

1476
01:05:35,319 --> 01:05:33,319
certainly to their opinion and I'm sure

1477
01:05:38,380 --> 01:05:35,329
we've had a few there have been cases

1478
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:38,390
Tim as you know where people have been

1479
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:41,930
healed I remember interviewing a police

1480
01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:44,930
officer down in Texas who had been

1481
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,500
bitten by a poisonous snake and he was

1482
01:05:55,690 --> 01:05:51,200
on his way to the the hospital to get an

1483
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:55,700
antidote and he had his hand out the the

1484
01:06:00,130 --> 01:05:57,290
window I guess to get us some air it was

1485
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:00,140
swelling by that time and he had a UFO

1486
01:06:04,690 --> 01:06:03,230
sighting and it shot down a beam on to

1487
01:06:05,859 --> 01:06:04,700
say and he didn't have to go to the

1488
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:05,869
hospital the swelling went down

1489
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:08,089
something to that effect I I mean I

1490
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,010
believe the other guy's last name was

1491
01:06:14,299 --> 01:06:12,480
good eg o ody

1492
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:14,309
so you could probably google it to get

1493
01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:17,940
the entire story you know that's back 50

1494
01:06:22,329 --> 01:06:19,740
years ago and they don't remember the

1495
01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:22,339
entire details but I did write it up for

1496
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:25,260
Beyond magazine which was a little

1497
01:06:30,260 --> 01:06:27,480
imitation of fate that was published for

1498
01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:30,270
a few years before it on Long Island

1499
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:33,240
before it kind of folded well I remember

1500
01:06:42,380 --> 01:06:37,050
Tim I remember that cast because that

1501
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:42,390
that very same beam also burnt like a an

1502
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:45,750
impression almost in his chest and there

1503
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:48,809
was there was a pictures of that and it

1504
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:52,290
just gotta go I gotta go back and put it

1505
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:55,079
in the book I'm not sure where AG I

1506
01:06:59,809 --> 01:06:56,640
haven't seen that picture in the years

1507
01:07:02,720 --> 01:06:59,819
but it was like there's like a triangle

1508
01:07:05,329 --> 01:07:02,730
or yes something kind of shaped like

1509
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:05,339
that but it would disappear and then

1510
01:07:12,380 --> 01:07:08,640
like every year it would it would pop up

1511
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:12,390
again well we have a couple of photos in

1512
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:14,970
the book in fact there's a fellow who

1513
01:07:21,049 --> 01:07:17,220
I'm trying to get on the show there was

1514
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:21,059
an incident that took place helped me on

1515
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:24,329
a year here maybe 1959 I don't want to

1516
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:36,650
okay Stanislaw for poet polish name and

1517
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:40,559
he was a a mechanic of some sort and he

1518
01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:43,710
would spent his spare time going out to

1519
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:48,150
the the woods looking for crystals and

1520
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:51,210
for silver 1967

1521
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:54,690
a case took place 1967 okay and and

1522
01:08:01,160 --> 01:07:57,510
while he was a remote area I think it

1523
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,170
was about 90 miles from the border

1524
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,359
separating Canada in the United States

1525
01:08:09,530 --> 01:08:06,000
and he had this experience where he saw

1526
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:09,540
two objects in the sky one of them

1527
01:08:13,339 --> 01:08:11,280
landed and the other one I don't know

1528
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:13,349
either Harvard up above her it's zoomed

1529
01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:19,170
off and a trapdoor or a port of some

1530
01:08:22,220 --> 01:08:19,620
kind

1531
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,230
open and he managed to illustrate these

1532
01:08:26,030 --> 01:08:24,540
I guess I think he was sitting on a rock

1533
01:08:28,340 --> 01:08:26,040
or something in the beginning

1534
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:28,350
and he was quite an artist in fact the

1535
01:08:34,490 --> 01:08:30,570
the artwork is going to be in the in the

1536
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:34,500
book but I guess as the the time wore on

1537
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:39,120
he got a bit of braver than perhaps he

1538
01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:41,940
stood up and as he approached the the

1539
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:45,060
craft something shot out of it you know

1540
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:47,640
like a ball of a flamethrower or

1541
01:08:53,900 --> 01:08:50,670
a ball of light or something and hit him

1542
01:08:56,210 --> 01:08:53,910
in the chest and knocked him out and I

1543
01:08:58,220 --> 01:08:56,220
guess I don't know whether he was

1544
01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:58,230
rendered unconscious or not but he

1545
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:01,380
managed to make it back to civilization

1546
01:09:07,610 --> 01:09:04,890
and ended up in the hospital and and

1547
01:09:10,580 --> 01:09:07,620
there's a famous photograph of him in

1548
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:10,590
the hospital bed where the the shirt had

1549
01:09:15,310 --> 01:09:11,850
been burned off of him

1550
01:09:19,190 --> 01:09:15,320
and it almost looks like a checkerboard

1551
01:09:21,350 --> 01:09:19,200
imprinted on his chest where this object

1552
01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:21,360
you know like burned pretty pretty

1553
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:24,870
severely and I think there was some hair

1554
01:09:29,780 --> 01:09:28,560
singed and missing off of off of his

1555
01:09:33,650 --> 01:09:29,790
hand

1556
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:33,660
and it turns out his son even though the

1557
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,090
the witness in question the experiencer

1558
01:09:42,020 --> 01:09:38,880
has since passed on his son recently

1559
01:09:43,670 --> 01:09:42,030
co-authored a book on the subject and I

1560
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:43,680
thought it would be very nice to try to

1561
01:09:49,190 --> 01:09:47,250
get him to to come on the only on the

1562
01:09:52,030 --> 01:09:49,200
program but there there are quite a few

1563
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:52,040
cases like that there is another case

1564
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:55,290
what I call the Scoutmaster case and

1565
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:00,840
that was in 1953 this Scoutmaster his

1566
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,170
name was diverges had walked it wandered

1567
01:10:08,210 --> 01:10:06,000
off into the woods I guess he was with a

1568
01:10:09,710 --> 01:10:08,220
you know a troop of Boy Scouts or

1569
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:09,720
something like that abroad ran off into

1570
01:10:19,820 --> 01:10:14,340
the woods saw this object and again

1571
01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:19,830
there's something apt them and left some

1572
01:10:25,540 --> 01:10:22,380
burn marks you know on his arm in his

1573
01:10:28,940 --> 01:10:25,550
forehead burns his cap yeah that was the

1574
01:10:32,450 --> 01:10:28,950
day a big thing there there was his cap

1575
01:10:35,630 --> 01:10:32,460
that was all cinched in all and at first

1576
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:35,640
the the the authorities the Air Force

1577
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:37,350
came out there I think it was Project

1578
01:10:39,859 --> 01:10:37,980
Blue Book

1579
01:10:41,859 --> 01:10:39,869
or maybe it was even before

1580
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:41,869
look it would have been grudged I guess

1581
01:10:47,149 --> 01:10:44,369
it came out there and they went to the

1582
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:47,159
area and they you know interviewed him

1583
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:50,880
extensively and at first they said oh it

1584
01:10:55,700 --> 01:10:52,860
you know a there was no reason to

1585
01:10:56,780 --> 01:10:55,710
suspect him of a hoax but later on when

1586
01:10:59,109 --> 01:10:56,790
they couldn't come up with an

1587
01:11:01,700 --> 01:10:59,119
explanation and the press started

1588
01:11:03,410 --> 01:11:01,710
demanding an explanation they said oh he

1589
01:11:06,859 --> 01:11:03,420
hadn't made up the story so something to

1590
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:06,869
that effect you know the usual ball of

1591
01:11:15,290 --> 01:11:11,489
the ball of wax there so yeah I got a

1592
01:11:18,589 --> 01:11:15,300
lot of grief from that incident he did

1593
01:11:21,620 --> 01:11:18,599
yes today that he probably would fire

1594
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,630
him from the scalp mass as a scout

1595
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:23,040
master or something I don't know whether

1596
01:11:30,129 --> 01:11:26,010
they did in those days or not but I

1597
01:11:32,629 --> 01:11:30,139
found a report that was published and

1598
01:11:35,149 --> 01:11:32,639
before you get too involved here we're

1599
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:35,159
just you know probably about twenty

1600
01:11:40,879 --> 01:11:37,530
seconds away from our bottom of the hour

1601
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:40,889
break burned by another UFO I guess

1602
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:46,050
that's right a boat from out of the blue

1603
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:49,290
for sure all right we'll we'll continue

1604
01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:50,460
this conversation

1605
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:53,310
in just a few minutes on exploring the

1606
01:12:03,390 --> 01:11:55,980
bazaars so stay tuned for more UFO

1607
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:07,540
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1608
01:12:13,420 --> 01:12:10,130
two of the most electrifying researchers

1609
01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:13,430
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1610
01:12:21,730 --> 01:12:21,080
Lee and tastes stuck in this saddle with

1611
01:12:24,670 --> 01:12:21,740
you

1612
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:24,680
that song Tim we can sing that together

1613
01:12:35,050 --> 01:12:26,330
yeah I don't think it's stuck in the

1614
01:12:36,670 --> 01:12:35,060
saddle we've been talking we've been

1615
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:36,680
talking about the west of the course k

1616
01:12:43,660 --> 01:12:41,810
cor is in Las Vegas so I know suck at

1617
01:12:45,670 --> 01:12:43,670
this I like oh yeah that's the one

1618
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:45,680
reason I could never be a singer not

1619
01:12:50,890 --> 01:12:48,800
only I can act in the saddle again back

1620
01:12:54,060 --> 01:12:50,900
in the saddle with you well I don't

1621
01:12:56,710 --> 01:12:54,070
wanna be back inside with you anyway I

1622
01:12:58,750 --> 01:12:56,720
guess yeah I mean that's although I

1623
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,760
guess there's a poncho in the Cisco Kid

1624
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:01,280
I guess they they wrote together they've

1625
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:02,290
always been

1626
01:13:09,190 --> 01:13:07,060
twosomes right in the in the Old West I

1627
01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:09,200
suppose if you want to look at it that

1628
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:17,150
way yes yeah Butch Cassidy is the Lone

1629
01:13:24,010 --> 01:13:21,230
Ranger and Tonto that's correct yeah hmm

1630
01:13:27,730 --> 01:13:24,020
one wonders what do all these never mind

1631
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:27,740
you hey hey you know what you know what

1632
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:32,330
I have here in front of me in addition

1633
01:13:45,970 --> 01:13:36,530
to my electric bill is a list of UFO

1634
01:13:48,270 --> 01:13:45,980
theories and I was on a Paulino show the

1635
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:48,280
other day and we started discussing this

1636
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:51,050
but I didn't get a chance I think I

1637
01:14:01,450 --> 01:13:56,690
covered three UFO theories and that

1638
01:14:03,550 --> 01:14:01,460
gives me about 17 more science the

1639
01:14:06,850 --> 01:14:03,560
extra-terrestrial hypothesis oh well I

1640
01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:06,860
threw that out right away I mean yeah I

1641
01:14:12,030 --> 01:14:10,520
gave that I gave that back to Stanton

1642
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:12,040
Friedman there you go

1643
01:14:18,010 --> 01:14:16,120
to handle and who has retired I

1644
01:14:21,790 --> 01:14:18,020
understand I don't know what that means

1645
01:14:24,370 --> 01:14:21,800
exactly but everybody retires but it

1646
01:14:26,710 --> 01:14:24,380
over it's like Elton John and John I've

1647
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:26,720
just added seven more shows to my

1648
01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:30,580
retirement to her there you go

1649
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:33,260
and up to price another thirty five

1650
01:14:40,090 --> 01:14:37,310
bucks or something like that it's the

1651
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:40,100
yellow brick road all right but I use it

1652
01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:42,730
he's a great entertainer I don't mean it

1653
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:45,860
Walton but anyway there are so many

1654
01:14:52,210 --> 01:14:48,530
other UFO theories so I thought I would

1655
01:14:54,730 --> 01:14:52,220
bounce a few of them in you in your

1656
01:14:58,090 --> 01:14:54,740
direction and you can bounce them back

1657
01:15:00,430 --> 01:14:58,100
to me all right okay well okay well

1658
01:15:08,730 --> 01:15:00,440
let's start out we'll give you a chance

1659
01:15:11,380 --> 01:15:08,740
to besmirch the ETH besmirch its

1660
01:15:14,590 --> 01:15:11,390
dispersion is that the word well yeah

1661
01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:14,600
well I mean okay that that one has been

1662
01:15:20,020 --> 01:15:17,960
the the favorite for years and I mean

1663
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:20,030
and you were talking about how you know

1664
01:15:24,940 --> 01:15:21,890
it seems like more and more nowadays

1665
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:24,950
that it's kind of fallen out of favor

1666
01:15:31,630 --> 01:15:28,130
well I think though that it's still a

1667
01:15:33,580 --> 01:15:31,640
favorite with with people you know maybe

1668
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:33,590
you know and the younger generations who

1669
01:15:38,770 --> 01:15:36,170
are just now coming into the field but

1670
01:15:41,470 --> 01:15:38,780
anybody who has you know like us who has

1671
01:15:43,780 --> 01:15:41,480
been researching and you know

1672
01:15:46,570 --> 01:15:43,790
investigating talking to people you know

1673
01:15:49,660 --> 01:15:46,580
over the years have come to realize that

1674
01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:49,670
there is so much more to the phenomena

1675
01:15:54,970 --> 01:15:51,470
than just simple nuts-and-bolts

1676
01:15:56,590 --> 01:15:54,980
spaceships from from other planets you

1677
01:15:58,960 --> 01:15:56,600
know and that's not to say that maybe

1678
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,970
some of these cases you know aren't that

1679
01:16:02,350 --> 01:16:00,320
they're maybe you know we live in a big

1680
01:16:04,030 --> 01:16:02,360
universe and and I would be really

1681
01:16:09,150 --> 01:16:04,040
disappointed if we were the only ones

1682
01:16:11,860 --> 01:16:09,160
that you know we're alive here but

1683
01:16:16,150 --> 01:16:11,870
considering all of the especially high

1684
01:16:19,630 --> 01:16:16,160
strangeness cases that you see with a

1685
01:16:21,130 --> 01:16:19,640
lot of these UFO incidents it just seems

1686
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:21,140
to me rather simplistic

1687
01:16:30,740 --> 01:16:26,520
to say that all UFO sightings represent

1688
01:16:32,089 --> 01:16:30,750
you know solid you know magnesium alloy

1689
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:32,099
or whatever you you know you think they

1690
01:16:35,959 --> 01:16:33,570
are you know spaceships you know

1691
01:16:39,140 --> 01:16:35,969
faster-than-light spaceships from other

1692
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:39,150
planets so and and and you know I've

1693
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:42,360
said this before you know when I'm

1694
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:44,400
reading a book about UFO sightings

1695
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:46,289
nothing irritates me more than when the

1696
01:16:54,979 --> 01:16:51,360
author calls the UFO a spaceship rather

1697
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:54,989
than you know a UFO or whatever you know

1698
01:16:58,459 --> 01:16:56,219
there's a you know the witness said that

1699
01:17:05,959 --> 01:16:58,469
the spaceship flew overhead well how do

1700
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:05,969
you know it was a spaceship you know on

1701
01:17:10,010 --> 01:17:08,280
the other hand though there were only so

1702
01:17:14,060 --> 01:17:10,020
many words that you can use to describe

1703
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:14,070
something so I find myself to I want to

1704
01:17:23,209 --> 01:17:17,690
put alien in quote marks yeah you know

1705
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:23,219
yeah our spaceship maybe I I sometimes

1706
01:17:28,129 --> 01:17:25,380
use the word I guess mother mother craft

1707
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:28,139
or something uh you know like like that

1708
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:30,690
I III have to admit I don't want to have

1709
01:17:34,910 --> 01:17:33,030
to stop and explain in every paragraph

1710
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:34,920
you know what I'm saying I mean either

1711
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:38,520
when you write spaceship though I mean

1712
01:17:45,250 --> 01:17:41,760
you and that that gives that visual

1713
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,260
image in the readers mind of you know uh

1714
01:17:50,689 --> 01:17:48,239
nuts and bolt craft coming from another

1715
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:50,699
planet you know like our rocket ship

1716
01:17:56,990 --> 01:17:54,239
Rogers Rogers

1717
01:18:02,359 --> 01:17:57,000
yay for Buck Rogers and Captain midnite

1718
01:18:09,049 --> 01:18:02,369
and you know Briley riley crib no buster

1719
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:09,059
crabbe there's you know there's there

1720
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:11,820
has been a number of encounters where

1721
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:14,489
you know the creatures seen coming out

1722
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:16,650
of these ships and talking to people you

1723
01:18:21,470 --> 01:18:18,449
know I mean they themselves say oh yeah

1724
01:18:23,299 --> 01:18:21,480
you know we're from Alpha Centauri you

1725
01:18:24,799 --> 01:18:23,309
know we're the third or you know in the

1726
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:24,809
early days you know they said they were

1727
01:18:32,660 --> 01:18:29,130
from Venus or Mars or whatever so I mean

1728
01:18:35,359 --> 01:18:32,670
it's no wonder that you know for to a

1729
01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:35,369
couple of generations that has been the

1730
01:18:45,620 --> 01:18:36,780
favorite

1731
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:45,630
the whole mystery although I think once

1732
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:49,679
we realized that there could be no

1733
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:52,770
beings and living on Mars or Venus the

1734
01:18:57,919 --> 01:18:55,320
contact he started saying that they were

1735
01:19:00,799 --> 01:18:57,929
living inside the planet that's right

1736
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:00,809
well I mean and and who's to say that

1737
01:19:05,629 --> 01:19:03,329
you know these these beans didn't

1738
01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:05,639
actually tell the you know the contact

1739
01:19:11,689 --> 01:19:09,960
you know that's what I think it is who

1740
01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:11,699
is I think it was John keel who always

1741
01:19:15,260 --> 01:19:13,500
said that you know when you know when

1742
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:15,270
the UFO people come out and you know

1743
01:19:19,029 --> 01:19:17,250
talk to you tell you stuff don't believe

1744
01:19:21,169 --> 01:19:19,039
anything that they're saying because

1745
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:21,179
almost a hundred percent of the time

1746
01:19:30,140 --> 01:19:24,690
they're lying to you dad is the truth

1747
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:30,150
anyway anyway I have a list here of UFOs

1748
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:34,170
that could doom life on Earth and they

1749
01:19:39,620 --> 01:19:36,780
come from very various location so I

1750
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:39,630
thought I would have you weigh in on

1751
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:44,340
some of these points of origin let us

1752
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:50,520
start out with the Goblin universe the

1753
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:53,730
Goblin universe okay now when you say

1754
01:20:06,649 --> 01:19:57,360
the goblin universe that makes me think

1755
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:06,659
of the cat who isn't oh okay okay I see

1756
01:20:19,310 --> 01:20:14,610
what you're talking about yeah I believe

1757
01:20:20,299 --> 01:20:19,320
that that was a term that the doctor was

1758
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:20,309
joking

1759
01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:25,380
well a holiday ever be a holiday yeah

1760
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:28,860
yeah the book the book II he wrote the

1761
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:32,280
US Edition is called the Harlan universe

1762
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:34,590
but I think professor shellhorn might

1763
01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:36,420
have changed the the name from whatever

1764
01:20:42,740 --> 01:20:39,150
was originally did the dragon in the

1765
01:20:47,390 --> 01:20:42,750
disk which doesn't some is exciting but

1766
01:20:49,330 --> 01:20:47,400
okay Hopkinsville Kentucky sighting yeah

1767
01:20:50,750 --> 01:20:49,340
yeah but it could also be anything of an

1768
01:20:54,049 --> 01:20:50,760
interdimensional

1769
01:20:57,979 --> 01:20:54,059
nature but we certainly have a weird

1770
01:20:59,479 --> 01:20:57,989
group of let me say again a spacemen

1771
01:21:03,640 --> 01:20:59,489
because I don't want to have to sit here

1772
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:03,650
and explain that we've got the the the

1773
01:21:09,759 --> 01:21:07,170
Michelin tire right well and that would

1774
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:09,769
that would seem to be a favorite in

1775
01:21:17,779 --> 01:21:14,070
South America and in like France you

1776
01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:17,789
know in like around 1952 when France had

1777
01:21:24,109 --> 01:21:22,409
it's a big UFO occupant there were there

1778
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:24,119
they've also been a number of sightings

1779
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:26,880
of you know space man we'll put

1780
01:21:31,459 --> 01:21:29,070
quotation marks around you know around

1781
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:31,469
that let's see that seemed to look like

1782
01:21:36,620 --> 01:21:34,110
you know the the Michelin tire man you

1783
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:36,630
know wearing some kind of outfit almost

1784
01:21:47,239 --> 01:21:40,530
of inflatable rings or something like

1785
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:47,249
that then you had the the being down

1786
01:21:51,890 --> 01:21:50,729
there in Pascagoula that kind of looked

1787
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:51,900
like a mummy

1788
01:21:59,540 --> 01:21:56,940
oh the the one that they're the ones

1789
01:22:01,850 --> 01:21:59,550
that the fisherman yeah yeah he said

1790
01:22:06,049 --> 01:22:01,860
Hickson and Parker because in fact

1791
01:22:09,549 --> 01:22:06,059
somewhere here in my one of my closets I

1792
01:22:14,209 --> 01:22:09,559
have a painting that was done by a

1793
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:14,219
hypnotist while one of the gentlemen was

1794
01:22:21,709 --> 01:22:18,050
before him in a hypnotic a trance and

1795
01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:21,719
that was a very unique case though in

1796
01:22:27,819 --> 01:22:24,030
the term in terms of the way that the

1797
01:22:32,379 --> 01:22:27,829
occupants looked you know they're

1798
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:32,389
robotic they they had like almost like

1799
01:22:38,750 --> 01:22:36,090
gas instead of ears on a mouth they

1800
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:38,760
almost have like funnels or something

1801
01:22:45,799 --> 01:22:41,610
the pointed ends a funnel is coming out

1802
01:22:48,169 --> 01:22:45,809
of their heads and they they have rather

1803
01:22:50,689 --> 01:22:48,179
than fingers they had more almost like

1804
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:50,699
mittens or claws almost as probably

1805
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:53,340
weird escolar yeah oh and then we have

1806
01:23:04,609 --> 01:22:57,780
our friend Johnny sands who saw the the

1807
01:23:06,649 --> 01:23:04,619
aqua men right right you know yes and I

1808
01:23:08,449 --> 01:23:06,659
love that case because you know Johnny

1809
01:23:11,179 --> 01:23:08,459
is just such a you know such a

1810
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:11,189
straightforward guy you know I mean it's

1811
01:23:16,459 --> 01:23:13,260
one of these stories this is like yeah

1812
01:23:19,009 --> 01:23:16,469
you know he never benefited monetarily

1813
01:23:20,839 --> 01:23:19,019
or anything so I mean you know for all

1814
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:20,849
these people who just like oh you know

1815
01:23:25,399 --> 01:23:22,920
these guys are just trying to make a

1816
01:23:26,750 --> 01:23:25,409
buck with these UFOs stories it's like

1817
01:23:28,669 --> 01:23:26,760
you know if you're gonna make a buck

1818
01:23:32,449 --> 01:23:28,679
you'll make more money working at

1819
01:23:34,939 --> 01:23:32,459
McDonald's or Walmart then reporting a

1820
01:23:36,979 --> 01:23:34,949
UFO story expecting you know you've

1821
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:36,989
noticed that for me royalty checks have

1822
01:23:47,509 --> 01:23:45,209
you one of my favorite cases though is I

1823
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,519
remember it was on the cover of fate

1824
01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:50,400
magazine maybe 1954-55

1825
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:54,659
this a woman who was was she walking

1826
01:23:58,850 --> 01:23:56,130
through the woods or something she had

1827
01:24:01,910 --> 01:23:58,860
flowers in her hand and he aliens were

1828
01:24:05,929 --> 01:24:01,920
trying to rip off her stockings well she

1829
01:24:08,419 --> 01:24:05,939
she had some potted plants and she was

1830
01:24:11,660 --> 01:24:08,429
carrying her laundry she had taken her

1831
01:24:15,259 --> 01:24:11,670
laundry down from the line had been

1832
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:15,269
outside drying and she came across this

1833
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:17,820
craft that had landed and this wood this

1834
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:19,860
craft is she described it almost as like

1835
01:24:29,839 --> 01:24:23,130
two ice cream cones that were placed you

1836
01:24:32,449 --> 01:24:29,849
know lip-to-lip together so it it had

1837
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:32,459
landed and two creatures had come out of

1838
01:24:37,069 --> 01:24:35,280
it to beans and they snatched the potted

1839
01:24:39,140 --> 01:24:37,079
plants from her hand and then snatched

1840
01:24:40,489 --> 01:24:39,150
her stockings to I don't know I thought

1841
01:24:42,609 --> 01:24:40,499
maybe they thought that you know that

1842
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:42,619
was some kind of plant life that she had

1843
01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:45,300
but and then then they hopped back onto

1844
01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:51,030
the graft in a flew away hmm yeah and

1845
01:24:56,449 --> 01:24:53,249
you know you can't even say really that

1846
01:24:58,540 --> 01:24:56,459
there were signs people say oh you know

1847
01:25:02,089 --> 01:24:58,550
the science fiction movies of the day

1848
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:02,099
you know like decided what people were

1849
01:25:07,549 --> 01:25:04,530
going images people were going to see as

1850
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,559
far as and the aliens go but I don't

1851
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:10,320
think any of those type of aliens were

1852
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:14,400
featured in a science fiction movie

1853
01:25:18,650 --> 01:25:17,130
oh wow and this woman I mean she

1854
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,660
it's not saying that maybe she never saw

1855
01:25:24,430 --> 01:25:20,400
movie before but I mean she was a

1856
01:25:27,050 --> 01:25:24,440
peasant who lived in a rural area of

1857
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:27,060
France and you know not really exposed

1858
01:25:35,180 --> 01:25:32,340
too much to a popular fiction or

1859
01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:35,190
whatever you know I mean she I can't

1860
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:37,020
remember what she said she thought it

1861
01:25:40,820 --> 01:25:39,540
was but she did make a mention though

1862
01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:40,830
because you had talked about this about

1863
01:25:45,740 --> 01:25:43,020
the villa Boas case is that these

1864
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:45,750
creatures had almost a cat-like look to

1865
01:25:56,630 --> 01:25:52,400
well III whatever whatever she saw is

1866
01:26:03,820 --> 01:25:56,640
certainly made a dynamite cover for a

1867
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:06,230
Martian playing card I can't remember

1868
01:26:10,970 --> 01:26:08,760
the name of this series but well fate

1869
01:26:13,670 --> 01:26:10,980
magazine had their own card series a

1870
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,680
trading card desk series but there was

1871
01:26:18,890 --> 01:26:15,360
another one but margins on and I think

1872
01:26:23,890 --> 01:26:18,900
that was in there somewhere but there

1873
01:26:28,210 --> 01:26:23,900
certainly have been a bevy very weird

1874
01:26:30,230 --> 01:26:28,220
looking at ETS

1875
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:30,240
even though of course some of them

1876
01:26:36,740 --> 01:26:33,330
looked at mighty human in appearance we

1877
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:36,750
have the the Nordics which we've written

1878
01:26:43,220 --> 01:26:39,450
about in the Nazi time travel book and a

1879
01:26:49,130 --> 01:26:43,230
few other works that we've done on the

1880
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:49,140
on Nordic looking UFO beings

1881
01:26:55,900 --> 01:26:52,440
well once again though we're we're back

1882
01:26:59,180 --> 01:26:55,910
to this whole thing that if UFOs are

1883
01:27:05,140 --> 01:26:59,190
spaceships from other planets why do all

1884
01:27:11,390 --> 01:27:05,150
these creatures look so much like us and

1885
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:11,400
unless you're actively all of these

1886
01:27:16,940 --> 01:27:13,770
cases we're dealing with things that

1887
01:27:19,450 --> 01:27:16,950
have two arms two legs you know a head

1888
01:27:22,450 --> 01:27:19,460
very I mean you know there may be

1889
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:22,460
superficial differences you know hide

1890
01:27:27,710 --> 01:27:23,970
skin color

1891
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:27,720
you know big eyes or what-have-you but

1892
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,570
practically every case that we

1893
01:27:36,230 --> 01:27:33,120
come acrossed when we've you know doing

1894
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:36,240
our work on this you know the the UFO

1895
01:27:42,290 --> 01:27:39,360
occupants almost always have a humanoid

1896
01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:42,300
shape so I mean our we'd already

1897
01:27:49,220 --> 01:27:43,800
conclude and you know I'm not a

1898
01:27:52,420 --> 01:27:49,230
scientist but you know I know that you

1899
01:27:55,700 --> 01:27:52,430
know Astro biologists have said that

1900
01:28:01,040 --> 01:27:55,710
life on other planets probably would not

1901
01:28:02,980 --> 01:28:01,050
develop looking that similar to us so

1902
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:02,990
unless there is some kind of universal

1903
01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:06,330
constant where you know like all life

1904
01:28:13,250 --> 01:28:09,300
eventually develops looking like we do

1905
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:13,260
or else we're talking about I don't know

1906
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:16,170
relatives maybe we're related somehow to

1907
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:18,330
these things you know somewhere and what

1908
01:28:24,170 --> 01:28:21,360
our past well how about this theory

1909
01:28:26,990 --> 01:28:24,180
tope bras which you have written about

1910
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:27,000
could we have created some of these

1911
01:28:29,950 --> 01:28:29,130
beings ourselves with our powerful

1912
01:28:39,550 --> 01:28:29,960
thoughts

1913
01:28:43,940 --> 01:28:39,560
but yeah you know I mean I I think that

1914
01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:43,950
if these things represent some kind of

1915
01:28:50,710 --> 01:28:46,860
life form that we don't understand

1916
01:28:54,770 --> 01:28:50,720
either energy based or or what-have-you

1917
01:28:59,360 --> 01:28:54,780
perhaps they are taking a form that is

1918
01:29:01,400 --> 01:28:59,370
that that our mind creates you know I I

1919
01:29:04,370 --> 01:29:01,410
know that you know again John keel has

1920
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:04,380
speculated you know on this that that

1921
01:29:11,450 --> 01:29:07,260
whatever the UFO phenomena is that it's

1922
01:29:16,190 --> 01:29:11,460
indigenous to earth and that it comes

1923
01:29:21,340 --> 01:29:16,200
from a you know almost like a realm of

1924
01:29:24,260 --> 01:29:21,350
intelligence and that we are able to

1925
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:24,270
interact with these things because we

1926
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:27,120
also exist in this realm of pure

1927
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:33,110
intelligence and that with our

1928
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:38,400
unconscious thoughts desires belief

1929
01:29:44,209 --> 01:29:42,330
systems when we come into contact with

1930
01:29:46,850 --> 01:29:44,219
these you know these other four

1931
01:29:52,570 --> 01:29:46,860
of intelligence we actually manipulate

1932
01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:52,580
our reality to give them shape a form

1933
01:29:57,229 --> 01:29:54,900
something that that we're familiar with

1934
01:29:59,720 --> 01:29:57,239
and of course we're familiar with the

1935
01:30:02,600 --> 01:29:59,730
humanoid shape and then you know our

1936
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:02,610
minds then just kind of adds these

1937
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:06,930
little extras to to make them look alien

1938
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:11,280
so to speak but still very humanoid you

1939
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:13,530
know I mean and and a lot of these cases

1940
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:16,620
like you're talking about the Nordics so

1941
01:30:21,260 --> 01:30:19,410
human looking that you know they can be

1942
01:30:23,450 --> 01:30:21,270
sitting next to you at the craps table

1943
01:30:24,650 --> 01:30:23,460
they're in Las Vegas you know placing

1944
01:30:26,930 --> 01:30:24,660
bets and you wouldn't really know the

1945
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:26,940
difference well you know how you would

1946
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:30,170
know the difference they'd be winning

1947
01:30:37,810 --> 01:30:32,690
when our where's the fun in that

1948
01:30:41,689 --> 01:30:37,820
yeah exactly we do have we do have some

1949
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:41,699
entities that are totally different life

1950
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:44,010
forms you know you know you would never

1951
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:47,760
think of them in terms of a humanoid one

1952
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:50,330
way or the other and I'm speaking of

1953
01:30:57,770 --> 01:30:54,090
space animals living life forms in the

1954
01:31:04,040 --> 01:30:57,780
atmosphere and the rods now yeah well

1955
01:31:06,350 --> 01:31:04,050
like the critters as has been speculated

1956
01:31:09,140 --> 01:31:06,360
that but I mean you know we're talking

1957
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,150
about the you know UFOs themselves

1958
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:12,480
rather than their so-called pilots and I

1959
01:31:16,130 --> 01:31:13,770
mean that's that has been a popular

1960
01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:16,140
theory for a long time that possibly our

1961
01:31:22,700 --> 01:31:18,360
upper atmosphere

1962
01:31:25,390 --> 01:31:22,710
you know harbors life kind of like our

1963
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:25,400
oceans do and that the upper atmosphere

1964
01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:28,850
you know has almost you know maybe like

1965
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,440
jellyfish type of creatures that

1966
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:36,000
occasionally will come down a little bit

1967
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:38,489
lower maybe they you know they have like

1968
01:31:46,319 --> 01:31:41,040
a bio luminance to them and that's how

1969
01:31:57,310 --> 01:31:49,919
- was it lives Trevor Trevor constable

1970
01:31:59,140 --> 01:31:57,320
yeah he actually went as far as to go

1971
01:32:01,450 --> 01:31:59,150
out into the desert with cameras loaded

1972
01:32:04,419 --> 01:32:01,460
with I think it was an infrared and

1973
01:32:06,729 --> 01:32:04,429
ultraviolet film and managed to take

1974
01:32:09,930 --> 01:32:06,739
pictures of what you know what appeared

1975
01:32:13,209 --> 01:32:09,940
to be you know like Oh Mia mitla type of

1976
01:32:14,859 --> 01:32:13,219
things flying around in the sky so I

1977
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:14,869
mean you know whether or not they're

1978
01:32:20,589 --> 01:32:18,530
responsible for UFO sightings as we

1979
01:32:22,410 --> 01:32:20,599
think about them you know I I do think

1980
01:32:25,689 --> 01:32:22,420
that there's probably a basis in reality

1981
01:32:27,549 --> 01:32:25,699
of you know some kind of unknown

1982
01:32:29,950 --> 01:32:27,559
life-forms you know living in their

1983
01:32:33,010 --> 01:32:29,960
atmosphere what we we have our friend

1984
01:32:40,839 --> 01:32:33,020
Jose is Escamilla

1985
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:40,849
me Bob a little joke there Jose who we

1986
01:32:47,919 --> 01:32:42,320
haven't heard from in a while by the way

1987
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:47,929
he has yeah yeah he has his discovery of

1988
01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:50,690
the rods you know I remember I know

1989
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:54,409
we're going back what 15 17 years now I

1990
01:32:59,500 --> 01:32:57,650
was giving a conference in believe it

1991
01:33:01,930 --> 01:32:59,510
was it could have been San Diego and

1992
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:01,940
maybe it was me I think it was Mesa and

1993
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:04,159
he had gotten in touch with me just a

1994
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,320
couple of days before the event and he

1995
01:33:10,930 --> 01:33:08,480
says I have these absolutely sensational

1996
01:33:12,819 --> 01:33:10,940
you know like your videos of these

1997
01:33:15,700 --> 01:33:12,829
objects of the sky and blah blah blah

1998
01:33:17,529 --> 01:33:15,710
and I want to make a presentation and I

1999
01:33:23,049 --> 01:33:17,539
think I probably bumped John Lear off to

2000
01:33:25,359 --> 01:33:23,059
the but we get we gave him a spot even

2001
01:33:27,580 --> 01:33:25,369
if it was o'clock in the morning and he

2002
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:27,590
made this a present agents he had taken

2003
01:33:35,500 --> 01:33:31,250
these videos I guess he was living in

2004
01:33:37,180 --> 01:33:35,510
Roswell yes at the yeah at the time I

2005
01:33:39,850 --> 01:33:37,190
don't think he was living there it had

2006
01:33:43,330 --> 01:33:39,860
anything to do with UFOs I forget the

2007
01:33:46,779 --> 01:33:43,340
exact start of this but I just by a

2008
01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:46,789
happenstance he was out with his video

2009
01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:49,070
camera and when he went to look at the

2010
01:33:55,149 --> 01:33:51,110
the video that he had produced that day

2011
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:55,159
we saw we could a filmmaker right he saw

2012
01:33:58,779 --> 01:33:56,800
these weird things when he slowed down

2013
01:34:01,689 --> 01:33:58,789
the image you know

2014
01:34:04,509 --> 01:34:01,699
like a streaking in slow motion across

2015
01:34:07,540 --> 01:34:04,519
the sky and then there were certain

2016
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:07,550
locations I guess where he was able to

2017
01:34:11,529 --> 01:34:09,650
photograph these things more or less on

2018
01:34:18,009 --> 01:34:11,539
a regular basis and then other people

2019
01:34:22,930 --> 01:34:18,019
started to contact a him who had taken a

2020
01:34:25,359 --> 01:34:22,940
video video and still pictures of the

2021
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:25,369
rods they look like what would you say

2022
01:34:33,850 --> 01:34:30,650
giant scaly fish somewhat like that yeah

2023
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:33,860
I mean just almost like like

2024
01:34:38,399 --> 01:34:37,489
caterpillars with with wings flat along

2025
01:34:40,750 --> 01:34:38,409
their sides

2026
01:34:42,729 --> 01:34:40,760
well of course some people say Oldham

2027
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:42,739
area you know their butterfly or their

2028
01:34:46,750 --> 01:34:45,170
birds but you could you can tell I mean

2029
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:46,760
after a while I mean he's been doing

2030
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:51,170
this seriously for many many years he

2031
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:52,880
knows the difference between the

2032
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:56,449
flapping of a of a you know an insect

2033
01:35:01,209 --> 01:34:59,119
they were a butterfly or or a bird or

2034
01:35:03,970 --> 01:35:01,219
something like that you know no I think

2035
01:35:07,870 --> 01:35:03,980
it's a it's an unknown it it's something

2036
01:35:09,959 --> 01:35:07,880
that lives in our in our atmosphere but

2037
01:35:12,609 --> 01:35:09,969
you know we don't have long to live Tim

2038
01:35:15,609 --> 01:35:12,619
mm-hmm nope we're down to the last

2039
01:35:18,580 --> 01:35:15,619
minute of our show here yeah you know it

2040
01:35:23,049 --> 01:35:18,590
happened it happens every week Tina will

2041
01:35:26,859 --> 01:35:23,059
not let us go over that extra hour nice

2042
01:35:28,660 --> 01:35:26,869
really pay extra well there there you go

2043
01:35:32,109 --> 01:35:28,670
it's not like getting on a bus I mean

2044
01:35:35,799 --> 01:35:32,119
come on we have to say good night now

2045
01:35:38,799 --> 01:35:35,809
Tim we have about 20 seconds left okay

2046
01:35:41,140 --> 01:35:38,809
don't forget our YouTube channel mr. UFO

2047
01:35:46,180 --> 01:35:41,150
secret files and it will the show will

2048
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:46,190
be archived shortly on Casey o RF Thank

2049
01:35:49,419 --> 01:35:48,530
You Tina Thank You Carol Thank You Helen

2050
01:35:51,819 --> 01:35:49,429
thank you Peter

2051
01:35:52,140 --> 01:35:51,829
thank you Tim thank you Tim and good

2052
01:35:58,100 --> 01:35:52,150
night

2053
01:36:04,919 --> 01:36:00,930
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2054
01:36:08,189 --> 01:36:04,929
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2055
01:36:10,740 --> 01:36:08,199
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2056
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2057
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:13,630
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2058
01:36:19,970 --> 01:36:17,280
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01:36:24,450 --> 01:36:19,980
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2060
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2062
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2063
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2064
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2065
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2066
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